UPDATE: Europe views spanking as assault. It’s no wonder Europe is such a mess. The children are running the EU.
Texas city revives paddling as it takes a swat at misbehavior. It is truly a shame that the system must do the parental unit’s job when it comes to discipline.
“It’s like speeding,” said Bill Woodward, a graphic designer. “Are they going to give you a speeding ticket, or . . . a warning? I’d speed all day if I knew it was going to be a warning.”
I realize that this may seem harsh, but would a parent prefer to spank their child as a child for running wildly across the street or wait until the system takes care of their issues in prison? Corporal punishment is no longer used in institutions, but I am speaking of the prison justice prescribed by the inmates themselves.
Ask Bernie Madoff who recently had his arse kicked. Perhaps paddling little Bernie might have taught him it was not a good idea to steal. Perhaps the Congress critters might be different today if they had been disciplined as well?
April 17, 2010 at 9:04 am
If a child consistently misbehaves and disrupts class, they should be put in detention; their parents called to retrieve the child. Paddling is not acceptable.
There are all too many cases of teacher misconduct: they do not need the right to beat children, only the right to prevent disruption of their job.
They instituted that sh#t in my schools; once I was blamed for something someone else did and sent to the principal’s office. Some dumb bitch in there looked at some dumb asshole who worked in there and said, “I don’t know, [Steve] do you think the paddle would do her some good?” So I said, “Lady you hit me with that paddle and I swear I’m gonna hit you back.” They decided I didn’t need to be beat after all.
Any teacher using a paddle on a kid, I hope the freaking kid hits you back. Hard.
April 17, 2010 at 10:25 am
I disagree Nom. I think that bad behavior needs to be corrected asap. It no longer is. That is why the schools are doing the parental job. When I went to school, paddling existed. It was rarely if ever used. The only time anyone got paddled was when a middle schooler lit the second floor on fire. He placed several hundred kids in danger.
Parents did their jobs and kids didn’t dare misbehave. You only needed the “look” to understand that you were walking toward the edge of the precipice. It wasn’t fear, but it was a strong desire to not have to partake in the consequences at home as well. If you got into trouble at school, you were assured that there would be an action to face at home as well.
Obviously, you were the target of someone who was nuts. I went to school with teachers and administrator who actually esteemed their work with reverence. Not like what I see in the schools of today. Perhaps I worked with too many college level kids who suffered the consequences of an undisciplined school environment. They paid the price for those that forced the teacher into spending the class time trying to create a learning environment when there were a few who wished to disrupt the class. I taught high school as well. This is what I saw. At the end of the day, there is an enormous amount of burnout. Hell, teachers in our district cannot express the need to test a student that might be borderline retarded. It might hurt their feelings if they are suspected of having learning difficulties. That is a complete utter load of crap. How will that student ever get help? I am firmly opposed to the liberal pc crap that now takes place in school. This works for Temple, Texas. Kudos to them for figuring out what does.
April 17, 2010 at 10:54 am
“Obviously, you were the target of someone who was nuts.”
I was the target of a f#cking lot of people who were nuts. There are a lot of nuts working as teachers and school administrators and they sure as f#ck don’t like anyone who stands out. I spent my childhood like a lab animal, made to take iq tests no one else had to take, enrolled in bogus programs that were actually psychological tests (for example they made me take tests and they told me things I did were wrong, even when they weren’t, just to see how long I’d fight back), punished for surpassing my classmates, graded on a different scale than my classmates (I had classes with up to 5 different tests given out and I was the only student to get the hardest one), and when I still surpassed all the stupid little f#ckers I was punished some more. I wasn’t allowed to read in class or look out the f#cking window, I was supposed to just sit there and pretend to be still working on shit I’d already done so I didn’t make everyone else feel bad. Well f#ck all that.
I had crazy people at home who got to beat me legally, the last f#cking thing in the world I needed was for any of these clowns to have the right to beat me.
F#ck school, f#ck teachers, f#ck administrators, and f#ck moronic students all. It’s a system to contain and train morons, nothing more or less. Anyone who tries to hit me will get the sh#t beaten out of them if I have to come back with a tire iron to get the job done.
Some stranger beating your kid outside of the school would be child abuse: it’s the same inside the school. The solution is still to make the parent responsible: make them come get the kid, after a couple of times, kick the little f#ckers out of school and let the parents pay to enroll them in a private school.
April 17, 2010 at 11:05 am
Nom, the parents give their permission for paddling. No one is unclear about this. I am sorry that you were treated as anything less than human. Let me say that your anger is directed at many who work in the field and would find your experience appalling. As much as I understand what you are saying, it is highly unfair to those that do teach in exemplary form. There are many. There are also many who view the job as nothing less than servitude to the Dept of Education. Teaching is a gift and one who is blessed to guide. IMO teaching is a job that few can do. It is not a job that anyone take on and be successful. Maria Montessori said it best, “The greatest sign of success for a teacher… is to be able to say, “The children are now working as if I did not exist.”
You were a child, so who fought the system on your behalf?
April 17, 2010 at 11:36 am
Parents did not have to give permission when I was in school.
I am not suggesting as you imply that teachers’ work should be interrupted by poorly behaved children; I offered a workable solution: remove them from the room first to detention, then to their parent’s custody.
No one fought the system on my behalf. I dragged my ass to school every day knowing I would get more of the same because I knew I could never get a job and support my cats (I had 2 pet cats then) without a high school diploma. Let me add to my list constant sexual harassment by students including assault, also including groping by one woman teacher and numerous male teachers, sexual propositions, other children going unpunished for assaulting me but punishment given me for fighting back.
I assure you, no teacher or administrator was “appalled” they were participants, bystanders, complicit partners. They were appalling but not apppalled. I had one, just one teacher, who ever took my part: my senior english teacher, a 60 year old black woman who spoke 5 different languages including Latin and ancient Greek.
In spite of the cheating on my grades I graduated with a 3.98 average (out of a possible 4), I had the highest SAT tests of anyone who had ever graduated from my high school, and the highest SAT scores of anyone entering my college the year I did.
April 17, 2010 at 11:55 am
I didn’t mean that you were. Nom, teachers can no longer separate the rowdy ones. More pc. According to the rules, the teacher labels the student by separating the student. You have to keep the screwups in class. Hence, the time in class is spent on developing some semblance of learning while putting up with the troublemakers. That was why I left high school teaching.
Someone should have seen you as a human not just another kid. It is criminal to do what teachers did to you. Everyone left you. That was wrong. You did it all on your own. We come to this earth without anything except the air that you breathe. Where was the nurturing? Your path has been difficult. I am happy that you excelled and rose above the expectations held for you. I saw this often as a teacher. It sickened me.
I can honestly tell you that my school had some of the most wonderfully gifted teachers that you could want. They were dead serious that you share in the gift of knowledge. They believed that everyone had something to nurture. They taught without the modules of today. However or whatever your method for learning was (visual, audible, or both) they addressed it all. Failure was NOT an option. I don’t see that often today. It astounds me today that the average student in 1910 could have all of the basics down pat by the time that they exited 8th grade.
You know that English is not my first language. They worked tirelessly with me. They did not speak my language. That just did not exist back in the day.
April 17, 2010 at 12:13 pm
“According to the rules, the teacher labels the student by separating the student. You have to keep the screwups in class.”
So change that rule instead of the paddling rule. Assault isn’t supposed to be legal.
English isn’t my man’s first language either: they didn’t work tirelessly with him, they put him in a classroom of foreign students and made him repeat the same sh#t over and over. He got a substandard education and still has difficulty reading even though he’s the smartest person I ever met. He went to the supposed best high school in the state.
All I ever got out of school was an abiding hatred of stupid people. It’s a complete waste of time for anyone with a brain. Companies should just train people on the job for what they need them to do.
April 17, 2010 at 12:25 pm
as for the grades, I might have excelled at a bunch of useless tests, but I’m no success, I went to college and quit twice: it was more of the same only I was paying for it. intelligence is a highly overrated commodity.
I’d rather win the freaking lottery.
April 17, 2010 at 12:29 pm
I have to wonder if the financial situation did not make it so that you had to leave twice?
April 17, 2010 at 1:41 pm
The first time I had a scholarship and quit in the middle of my second semester due to sexual harassment.
The second time, I had a pay cut and it was difficult to make enough money and still study enough; as well I did not perceive the cost of continuing to be worth the eventual result of the degree. If I had been better treated I might have decided otherwise.
April 17, 2010 at 1:58 pm
I am so sorry that bad things have happened to you in your childhood. The system as failed both the child & the adult.
Either way, a child can not raise him or herself. It takes adults to that job.
I have a question for you. Do you think that the State is better at raising kids or the “adult” parents?
April 17, 2010 at 2:41 pm
Regardless of who does it better, it’s the parents’ job.
April 17, 2010 at 2:56 pm
Nom, some parents want the extra reinforcement.
April 17, 2010 at 5:36 pm
That doesn’t mean that they will do their job Nom. If they don’t wish to advocate for the child, they just don’t. No way to force them either.
April 17, 2010 at 2:04 pm
Never say never. Life is a wonderful education in itself, but there is much to be gained by sharing wisdom with those that want to.
April 17, 2010 at 12:32 pm
You cannot separate students Nom. I strongly believe in vocational education. You and I come from a very time frame. Even the school problem (the kid that burned the school down) got an extraordinary amount of attention. It turns out he was pathological. He died young, a criminal activity gone awry.
April 17, 2010 at 12:39 pm
We disagree Nom. If it works for Temple and the parents don’t have a problem with it, I think they should keep doing what they are doing.
I had a serial killer in my high school class. He was 20 years old in a 9th grade remedial math class. No one to control him. His own parents wouldn’t take control for fear of their lives. Do you think that this man would have been in a high school class with 14 year olds if someone had taken the time to work with him? He was put to death many years ago. Texas death penalty. There was no mercy shown by the court. He filleted several adult males for the hell of it.
April 17, 2010 at 1:31 pm
There are people who are violent without any background of abuse; there are people who are violent with a background of abuse.
I would contend that a born psychopath is not going to be improved upon by paddling; a victim of abuse at home will never learn empathy by being beaten at school. A child who is provably violent at school should be brought up on criminal charges. Classrooms and hallways should have video monitoring: you cite misbehaving children and I cite misbehaving adults as well as children; just as with incidents of police brutality, the video is the one not lying.
I believe in everyone’s right to self defense in school and without. If a child hits a sibling or parent or other individual, then let the sibling or parent or other individual hit the child back. A child needs to learn that causing others pain for personal gratification is wrong, and they aren’t born knowing this.
I have no problem with executing violently criminal people either. The point of people living together is supposed to be mutual benefit.
April 17, 2010 at 1:55 pm
Nom, there is very little discipline taught at home these days. Most children are exposed to the other parental unit (teevee). I think that there are children born to destroy and nothing will salvage them from doing what they are going to do. I also know that abuse is learned. I can’t tell you how often I would hear complaints of little boys trying to pull little girl’s underwear down. Pre-K in particular found this to be a polished activity. Raising children is no easy task. It takes an enormous amount of sacrifice on the parent’s part. Had you been my child, there would not have been more than one school round visit with the administration. Somehow, some way, the situation would have been corrected. As for the loathsome harassment, that is school and it can be controlled somewhat by the adults in administration. Not always, as I see how that teen was tormented to the point of suicide. No one should be brutalized this way.
No child should ever hit a parent Nom. As a parent I am sickened when I see a young child slapping his mother or father and they don’t put an end to it. I assure you that they will practice those behaviors far more often and perfect them if they are not stopped early. I understand that the hit response is quick and doled out of frustration for children. Hell, I wouldn’t want to be dragged around the mall day in and out for hours when I need a nap either.
There is a great amount of selfishness in our society. It’s all about me and my time. I have no problem with that, but it must become an action of moderation lest it affects everyone around you. Why should I tolerate a kid kicking my seat on a plane while mom and dad are enjoying cocktails?
I don’t understand why people have children if they refuse to give them proper care. They leave their problems in someone else’s hands. Either fix the problem early or it will be fixed for you. Children are children. They are not adults Nom. The need to be guided and cared for. I can’t imagine telling a four year old to go play in the street, and yet I have witnessed it with my own eyes. I have seen children raised by people who have little to nothing in the way of education and possessions yet their children grow to become caring adults. Discipline is discipline. It is not a bad thing. It is no different than reading a book that you don’t really want to read but must. You just do it. Today’s generation does what they want when they want. Sometimes, it is not a good idea to wait so long to take care of matters.
April 17, 2010 at 1:56 pm
It wouldn’t happen without the parent’s permission. It would most certainly happen in juvenile detention regardless of the psychology behind the child.
April 17, 2010 at 2:18 pm
Norm
You are so spot on.
Many yrs. ago, I decided to do what I felt to be the right thing… that is, to keep my niece & nephew because I felt like I could give them a chance in life.
Well, on the 3rd day, the niece threatened to kill me in my sleep & the nephew was conspiring w/her. The next day the niece tried to physically assaulted me me a steak knife & when I tried to restrain her by pulling her away by grabbing her shirt collar, she shouted: “you cant touch me cause its child abuse”.
Needless to say, I personally transported them both to the authorities. The authorities said this: “Child abuse my foot! If we take them in juvenile, we will put something on there asses & theres not a damn thing they can do about it because we are the law”.
The true story ended sadly. They ended being rejected by several foster homes. Authorities said they could not make parents accountable because parents were in prison & on drugs. The kids also ended up in & out of prison for assault & battery & drugs & were deemed to be dangerous to society.
April 17, 2010 at 2:28 pm
I am so sorry for the niece and nephew arlenearmy. It really is very sad to know that they were not successful in transitioning to adulthood without problems.
I had a neighbor who was babysitting her grandchild. He didn’t want to do what was being asked of him (8 yr old boy), he dialed 911. He lied. Had it not bee for the neighbors that could verify that they were present in the home when this kid was asked to do whatever he was supposed to do, he would have been nailed. The neighbors were at the house borrowing some tools so they could verify everything that happened. That was 35 yrs ago. That kid grew up to become society’s problem…he went to prison. No one could tell him what to do. His mother was physically present, but it was questionable whether she was mentally present.
In many ways, the action of the courts fifty years ago forced a quick reality on children who refused to tow the line. Either they went to prison or they went into the Army. I don’t believe that I have ever heard anyone regret the choice to go to the Army. Of course, that was pre Vietnam.
April 17, 2010 at 2:29 pm
They sure learn that one phrase quickly, don’t they?
April 17, 2010 at 1:57 pm
They also must learn limits. That is not something that they are born with.
April 17, 2010 at 2:39 pm
I agree, but that’s the parents’ job and parents need to be forced to return to doing their job, not foist it off on everyone else.
If the kid won’t behave, first put the kid in detention, then send the kid home. If the kid persistently misbehaves, expel the kid and let the parents pay for private education. If the behavioral problem is violence and the parents can’t or won’t mend the behavior, try the child on criminal charges. Some people either can only learn the hard way or can’t learn at all: jail is imo the best place for them.
As I stated previously, I have no problem with anyone hitting back, only hitting first. That goes for everyone.
In case its not obvious, mcnorman, I dislike children. This is why I don’t have any. I have had more than one kid removed from a theater for kicking the back of my chair. I give one warning, then I go for the management. (My warning usually goes something like, “Stop kicking the back of my chair you little bastard.”)
One of the reasons I hated college so much was all the little vermin yapping to each other and even on their cell phones during class. Same thing. “Would you shut the f#ck up so I can hear?”
I’m not a pc sort of person. But I have seen enough abuses by those in authority than to give those in authority any more power than is necessary. Paddling is not necessary: detention, expulsion, and even incarceration where necessary will all do fine.
April 17, 2010 at 3:02 pm
You assume that the parents want to do the parenting. You cannot force a parent to do their job. Many times, they don’t know how nor do they want to do the job. Everything that you state is usually done first, not paddling. Private education? Nom, they don’t even like to clothe or feed the kids, come on. I disagree about spanking a kid. I don’t think it’s necessary when the boundaries are set early on. You better believe I would smack my kid’s bottom if she took off across a busy intersection to test me. I prefer to be known for spanking her than letting her get run over. She never did try that, but I have seen many kids do it.
April 17, 2010 at 4:02 pm
“You cannot force a parent to do their job.
It seems far more rational for the law to force a parent to do their job than to force a teacher to do a parent’s job.
I don’t care what the parents like, it’s their freaking responsibility, not a teacher’s, not society’s and not mine. If their kid is expelled, they can have the cost of private school docked from their pay until the kid is of age to quit school.
I don’t like authoritarianism. Parents have controlled their kids in the past and they can do so today.
April 17, 2010 at 5:27 pm
I would love for parents to do their job…you just can’t make them do it.
Whether you like it or not, that is not what the state does. They aren’t going to change the law until everyone screams. Then you have a law like our in Texas that punishes the parent who has done everything right, whose kid wants to kill her and she has to pay for it til he does.
April 17, 2010 at 8:42 pm
I know of parents whose kids were expelled who had to enroll them in private schools: when I was in school, that’s what happened to kids who wouldn’t shape up. I don’t know about any court orders, but it is certainly against the law for a kid under 16 to not attend school. Here in NC you can get arrested for having a minor not in school.
April 17, 2010 at 8:59 pm
The law requires kids under a certain age to be schooled. With home schooling now a trend, it is fairly easy to get out from under the guidelines set by districts. We have similar laws about attendance…nothing happens because there are so many kids now who game the system until they can finally get out without getting a degree. Many return to their country of origin or wait until they turn 18.
April 22, 2010 at 7:51 am
Nom maybe if you had gotten a couple of swats you would not use language like that. P.S. I am a special education teacher and I would so swat you for using that language!
April 22, 2010 at 9:19 am
Hi John. I don’t think that anyone can judge what happens in the classroom except for the teacher. I am highly resentful that the msm has failed to say that this is a last recourse action and that the permission is retained by both parent and teacher prior to swatting. The msm is quite dishonest.
April 17, 2010 at 12:44 pm
i remember back in my day, a whipping from the teacher or principal was the norm.
Many yrs. later, it was deem a criminal assault. However, if the children assault the teachers, hardly nothing is done about it. An adult asked the legal authorities what protection do they have if the child assaults adults. The authorities said: “There no such thing as ‘adult protection services’”
April 17, 2010 at 12:50 pm
jmo, assault is assault; whoever initiates it is at fault
April 17, 2010 at 1:24 pm
Not every disciplinary action is good. Some worst than others. And not all raise there children the same.
But there is 1 thing I am sure of: If an undisciplined child falls into the hands of juvenile authorities they will truly be assaulted. And there is nothing that they can do about it.
With the way things are going nowadays, many adults dont want to take in minor children because the courts are LAX on assault charges if it is initiated by a minor.
April 17, 2010 at 1:33 pm
There is an interesting law in Texas. It requires parents to pay for their children’s misdeeds. If they end up in juvenile protection, they get to pay for their time there, the court appointed attorney and whatever other fees might be incurred while under the protection of the state. A curious case is now being put forth. A mother of a young teen was assaulted by her own son. He has a long history of assaulting the parent. She was battered to the point of death. She is ill and must maintain a job to keep paying the state maintenance of this young man. He has sworn he is going to kill her. They are trying to change the law.
April 17, 2010 at 3:34 pm
the son sounds like a candidate for the modern day equivalent of Old Sparky. I’d keep the law but give parents the option of giving up permanent custody of their child to the state. In those cases, I’d remit the fees. I’d give the state the option of putting the kid to work to recoup part of their costs: 20 hours a week for those under 16, 40 hours per week for those 16 and over.
April 17, 2010 at 5:30 pm
The parents have the option. The state will not take him unless they see reason to do it. The state knows how slow the cog moves and are running the clock til the kid turns 18 in a year. By then, he said he will have her 6′ under. Kids in the system are far smarter than you or I. They game the system. This is not going to turn out well. She has already moved from one state to another.
April 17, 2010 at 8:43 pm
she should try pressing charges against him and buy a gun for self defense.
April 17, 2010 at 8:56 pm
She has been there and done that. It is a very slow process.
April 17, 2010 at 9:05 pm
I’d keep practicing shooting. Sometimes that is one’s only option. It is extremely outraging how little is done to protect women from violence. One is often on one’s own.
April 17, 2010 at 9:27 pm
She was almost killed this last time. The courts are aware of her situation, but they have their hands tied. A judge has taken this battle to the legislature and hopefully something will happen so that she is taken care of.
April 17, 2010 at 9:43 pm
I don’t understand why he cannot be kept in jail on the assault charges unless someone made mail for him?
April 17, 2010 at 9:44 pm
that would be “bail” lol
April 17, 2010 at 9:54 pm
The law allows for many alternatives to avoid confinement in juvenile detention. He was placed in a home and subsequently went back to his mother’s home to threaten her again. The kid is pathological imo.
April 17, 2010 at 1:29 pm
I agree, there is nothing to keep the teacher from being assaulted. I trained many teachers while teaching. When they would visit me, they would tell me about how the system does nothing to protect them. They were bit, kicked, spat at, groped etc. The shocking part of all of this was hearing how many of these children were in Pre Kindergarten. One of my students was told that under no circumstances would she be allowed to separate that child. That included taking him to the Principal. Things have changed greatly.
April 17, 2010 at 1:35 pm
I can tell you that I went to a large school and there was very little paddling, detention or any other forms of punishment. Most of the kids were military family children. I guess the discipline at home really did begin there because those kids were far more concerned about the parental punishment that would be given for any infraction at school.
April 17, 2010 at 1:51 pm
Norm
Rather than take a chance on getting killed, injured or imprisoned, a lot of folks refuse to take on children in their homes as foster parents. Some have decided to not donate their time to the boyscouts or other child-development programs.
Even the latest news of the Tennessee woman who sent adopted boy back to Russia suggest this.
April 17, 2010 at 2:02 pm
I agree arlenearmy. I understand that this woman got in over her head with a child who is ? unstable. A very dear friend of mine was adopted during the Great Depression. She speaks to this day of how unsuitable the family was that she was given to. The mother felt the need to have a child for photo op purposes. She grew into a wonderful person and took care of that mother to the day she passed. Her cousin was also adopted. He was hell on earth according to her. He was pathological. Back in those days, you took them and you could not give them back. Hence, the abuse begins. It is not an easy task to take a child with unknowns into a home.
Why would anyone risk their reputations working with kids who might be problematic?
April 17, 2010 at 2:09 pm
We can never truly know what transpired in that Tennessee home.
April 17, 2010 at 3:00 pm
http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0416/school-spied-students-slept/
http://lafiga.firedoglake.com/2010/04/05/the-meanest-town-in-america-fake-prom-for-lesbian-student/
Here are a couple of examples of present day school administrators. Ask yourself if you would want these people deciding whether or not your child had committed an offense worthy of paddling.
April 17, 2010 at 3:15 pm
Nom, I highly doubt that the school district that passed out the “free” laptops didn’t get some sort of parental release. Nothing in life is “free” and that surely is a lesson that we learn early on. As I understand it, the school’s software program for theft is responsible for these intrusions. (Not unlike Google leaving their icky cookies everywhere.) If so, whatever the parent signed will be what is tested in court. How it was used is another matter.
As for the prom issue, there are too many angles in that one for me to comment on. I honestly don’t care whether they said no or not to the girl. Prom is an out of school activity. As for the administrators in these cases, who gave them license to do what they have done? The taxpayer Nom. Why is it that no one has the time to look into what the district does until all hell breaks loose? I don’t have a kid in school any longer. I still want to know what they are doing with my tax money. I go to meetings and you bet that I am the first to say something when I smell dubious activity. Ask me how many others attend or want to participate in the decision process? I can tell you how many times a committee meeting is canceled for lack of quorum.
Heck Nom, you don’t have kids, how interested are you in participating in the process at the district level? They are taking your tax money to do what they want with it. We are the caretakers. If we don’t take care of the process, we get what we didn’t care for. It’s not any different from what we do with our politicians. BTW, I finally said “hasta la vista” to all of those volunteer steering committees. I got tired of being the only one to show up. We only met 4 times a year.
April 17, 2010 at 9:39 pm
http://media.nbcphiladelphia.com/documents/laptop_civil_action.pdf
pdf of court case over spying: parents were not told that their children could be remotely viewed.
as for the prom, they sent the young lady to a prom attended only by a couple of school officials, her guest, and several mentally disabled children: that is to say, the school officials thought it was a good idea to use the mentally disabled children as a humiliating punishment for the girl because she was gay. all the other students were told about the real prom. regardless of one’s opinions on proms (mine isn’t any better), using the company of other parents’ unfortunate children as a punishment is beyond sick. as are the girl and her guest, those mentally disabled children are all real people: they are not props.
if I had a kid, I would remove them entirely from such a school if I had to move to another county.
April 17, 2010 at 9:57 pm
Nom, where are these parents of the disabled children? What type of parent would allow this? Again, the responsibility lies with the parent that is painfully unaware of what they are doing.
April 19, 2010 at 10:22 pm
I grew up in a large Texas city. graduated highschool 1960. Had prayer,corperal discipline rigidly enforced. It was very seldom used,but strangley enough, we had no weapons in the schools,no obscene language.& no school shootings.Even though we became angry at some of the teachers at times,they are remembered now with fondness and above all, respect..I think the Temple school dist. is showing a return to sanity.
April 20, 2010 at 9:12 am
That’s right Charles. No problems. Welcome.
April 20, 2010 at 12:12 pm
I’ve heard many who share the same story. We didn’t have ugly behavior. We were highly disciplined. High five to Temple ISD.