Update: Swiss postal system drops Assange.
The Swiss postal system stripped WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange of a key fundraising tool Monday, accusing him of lying and immediately shutting down one of his bank accounts.The swift action by Postfinance, the financial arm of Swiss Post, came after it determined the “Australian citizen provided false information regarding his place of residence during the account opening process.”
Assange had told Postfinance he lived in Geneva but could offer no proof that he was a Swiss resident, a requirement of opening such an account.
Dropped.
PayPal said in a blog posting that cutting off WikiLeaks’ account was prompted by a violation of the service provider’s policy, “which states that our payment service cannot be used for any activities that encourage, promote, facilitate or instruct others to engage in illegal activity.”The short notice was dated Friday, and a spokeswoman for PayPal Germany declined on Saturday to elaborate and referred to the official blog posting.
via WikiLeaks loses major source of revenue. Arrest warrant arrived in UK.
December 4, 2010 at 7:18 pm
yes, I posted this on the old wiki thread
and now it is paypal
anyone with sense should look at this and say: that’s going to happen to everyone who defies them, and when there’re too many to control this way, they’ll start shooting…
&
http://gawker.com/5705639/us-military-in-iraq-tries-to-intimidate-soldiers-into-not-reading-wikileaks
this is truly disturbing
December 4, 2010 at 9:13 pm
Nom
I heard somewhere on the net that there are orders to terminate Assauge on site. They (our government) is acting like this man is a Bin Laden.
I was very disappointed that some senators were asking Obama to shut down Wikileaks site. Those same politicians would cry like a broke dick dog if the liberals demanded Obama to shut down fox news or conservative bloggers sites.
Folks need to step back, take a deep breath & think outside the box. If our government can pull the switch on a foreigners website then he can just as easily do to us. We’ll be just like folks in Venuzuella.
December 5, 2010 at 6:21 pm
yes, I want to know as much as possible about what the “government” is up to.
December 7, 2010 at 10:32 am
Right On Arlenearmy!
From what I have seen – there haven’t been any real “secrets” revealed by Julian A-sausage’s Wiki-Liki.
Come on! It is old as history that ambassadors and diplomats are expected to spy and report back from the countries they are sent to – S.O.P. – DUH!
Juilian has been Wiki-Leaking for the past 2 years and out gooberment wasn’t concerned then at all!!!!
Remember when Facebook was illegally shutting down Hillary supportors’ Facebook pages in the 2008 primaries????
December 4, 2010 at 7:23 pm
Ive never really liked paypal & only got it because most sellers on ebay uses it. But since paypal did this to do wikileaks I canceled my paypal account. I also dumped Amazon because it dissed wikileaks.
The reason why I am on the side of wikileaks is because our government is threatening to take away free speech on the internet. Besides, its not wikileaks that stole the secret. And Im not sure if what wikileaks is dumping is called “secrets”. If it is, our government better tighten up security. If I walk in store w/my purse opened & or leave my truck unlocked, then someone steals my shit I am partially to blame.
December 4, 2010 at 10:07 pm
Paypal is Ebay. They are a business. I have heard of them tossing others before, it is not uncommon arlenarmy. They used to do it before Ebay bought them out, but now they are far more protective.
December 5, 2010 at 5:18 am
PayPal is just looking out for their own business. If Wiki keeps it up crap is going to get shut down an seized. Their major revenue stream included.
December 5, 2010 at 9:31 am
It’s a business DE. You are absolutely correct.
December 5, 2010 at 6:26 pm
it is just a business:
if working against knowledge of the oligarchs’ actions enhances their revenue, well, I won’t be sending them any of mine.
http://stopmebeforeivoteagain.org/2010/12/fuck_paypal.html
December 7, 2010 at 9:41 am
mastercard has now followed suit
http://www.fastcompany.com/1707887/ifive-assange-in-irons-mastercard-cuts-off-wikileaks-icanns-web-future-piracy-cases-ditched-
December 7, 2010 at 6:18 pm
and visa
but xipline is still taking donations and there are over 100 mirror sites now
December 8, 2010 at 6:37 pm
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/08/wikileaks-us-russia-visa-mastercard
and their “business” motive for doing so becomes clear:
US govt acts as their lobbyist for Russia, gets business payback
oka fascism
December 4, 2010 at 7:28 pm
http://news.antiwar.com/2010/12/04/yemeni-govt-lies-2007-iranian-spy-plane-was-known-to-be-us-drone/
“Yemeni state media reported on March 28, 2007 that they had shot down an “Iranian spy plane” over their air space, and the story was quickly picked up by media outlets the world over, with claims Iran was using drones to spy on the Yemenis.
“But as with so many things coming out of Yemeni President Saleh’s office, this was a lie. We found this out conclusively today, as a new WikiLeaks cable showed the State Department official Nabeel Khoury had contacted President Saleh before the announcement because the Yemenis found a US drone wash up on shore.”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/02/foreign-contractors-hired-dancing-boys
wikileaks ain’t the cia
December 5, 2010 at 6:37 pm
http://theintelhub.com/2010/12/05/us-considered-arresting-noted-cia-asset-ahmed-wali-karzai-for-drug-running/
as for those who suggest these cables (and only a couple of hundred of the thousands have so far been released) contain nothing particularly inflammatory, how about the one detailing how our tool Karzai’s brother is a major drug runner of opium.
oh yeah, he also works for the cia.
but hey! I’m sure that’s entirely a coincidence and doesn’t reflect at all on the oligarchs desire to start a war in Afghanistan!
December 5, 2010 at 6:59 pm
http://pubrecord.org/world/8605/wikileaks-reveals-reasons-dismiss/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=wikileaks-reveals-reasons-dismiss
more creepiness
December 6, 2010 at 2:11 pm
http://warisacrime.org/content/cluster-bombs-save-lives-because-if-we-cant-use-them-well-use-bombs-usa
more…
December 6, 2010 at 7:27 pm
http://wsws.org/articles/2010/dec2010/geor-d06.shtml
more evidence the US knew Georgia attacked South Ossetia first yet continued to lie about it
December 6, 2010 at 7:40 pm
http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2010/12/02/wikileaks-exposes-israeli-mafias-growing-influence/
known members of Israel’s mafia operating in the US. nothing to see! move along!
December 7, 2010 at 6:22 pm
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/wikileaks/8187505/WikiLeaks-Britain-feared-Colonel-Gaddafi-could-cut-us-off-at-the-knees-unless-Lockerbie-bomber-was-freed.html
UK released Lockerbie bomber because failing to release him “could have had disastrous implications for British interests in Libya.”
“Then the cable appeared to quote the ambassador saying: “They could have cut us off at the knees, just like the Swiss.”
The warning is thought to refer to Col Gaddafi’s call in 2008 for a jihad against the Switzerland when police arrested his son Hannibal and daughter in law Aline Skaf.
The couple were released and charges relating to an altercation with their servants dropped.
However Libya responded by withdrawing billions of dollars from Swiss banks, cutting off oil supplies, denying visas and recalling diplomats.”
December 8, 2010 at 7:12 am
Old news Nom. Unc is very correct…I have yet to hear of anything that is new and earth shattering.
December 8, 2010 at 7:19 am
it might be old rumors, but they were not proven before now.
not to mention, it hasn’t all been released. why do you think there is such a disproportionate response to wikileaks, if the material isn’t that important?
just sayin.
besides the material is not classified higher than secret. what sort of information do you expect?
we have illegal monitoring of the UN according to our own treaties, warcrimes, lies and propaganda told to US citizens…
there’s more than enough for an impeachment.
December 9, 2010 at 6:39 pm
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/09/wikileaks-cables-burma-nuclear-weapons
“Witnesses in Burma claim to have seen evidence of secret nuclear and missile sites being built in remote jungle, according to secret US diplomatic cables released by WikiLeaks, heightening concerns that the military regime is seeking to develop nuclear weapons.”
well that ain’t old news no matter what anyone says.
December 10, 2010 at 2:21 pm
http://allafrica.com/stories/201012090118.html
“Shell claimed it had planted staff in all the main ministries of the Federal Government of Nigeria, giving it access to politicians’ every move in the Niger Delta…”
additional Nigerian-subject docs reveal the US directing Nigeria’s politicans and Shell Oil engaged in intelligence gathering for the US military.
December 10, 2010 at 9:27 pm
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/wikileaks/8195174/WikiLeaks-will-the-civil-war-return-to-Lebanon.html
“The accounts of conversations with members of Lebanese prime minister Saad Hariri’s government have revealed collusion with the state’s main enemy.
Elias Murr, the defence minister has been caught red-handed conspiring with the United States of America to facilitate an Israeli invasion in 2008.
The Wikileaks cables reveal how, over a two and a half hour lunch with American diplomats, Mr Murr spelt out areas that Israeli jets should hit.
He also revealed he had ordered the Lebanese army ‘not to get involved in any fighting and to fulfil a civil defence role”.
The minister’s only concern was that the invading force refrain from attacking Christian areas. Attacks on Shia Muslims was ‘Hizbollah’s problem’ and Mr Murr – a Christian in a Sunni-led government – hoped that the offensive would allow the army to displace the radical Iranian-backed group that is Lebanon’s strongest force.
His plan was for the Lebanese army to remain in its bases – then take over once Hizbollah’s militia forces had been defeated.
The Americans concluded that Murr ‘seems intent on ensuring the Army stays out of the way so what Hizbollah bears the full weight of an Israeli offensive.’
Almost as damaging, Murr’s testimony directly implicates the Lebanese president Michel Sleiman. In March 2008, at the time of the conversation, the Lebanese president was army chief of staff. And Murr told his American friends that he had already instructed Sleiman that the Lebanese army should not get involved ‘when Israel comes.’”
this is certainly not old news
December 20, 2010 at 6:52 pm
I swear to you, these rumblings have been out on the net. I won’t post blog/board material up unless there is some credible entity behind the rumblings. I read bits and pieces about this. It’s a huge puzzle imo.
December 20, 2010 at 5:59 pm
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/12/abbas-asked-israel-attack-hamas/
somehow this doesn’t look like everyday news to me; I’ve heard many say that the reason the palestinians voted in hamas was how bad the ruling party was; I confess I found that rather incredible, but I’m beginning to understand
December 20, 2010 at 6:49 pm
It was out a few days ago annon. A bit embarrassing, eh?
December 21, 2010 at 3:12 pm
sorry, that was just me, Mcnorman
add: http://dailycaller.com/2010/12/20/ivory-coast-seeks-election-help-from-us-lawyer/
Lanny Davis not just shilling for Honduran military coup-installed regime; he is also shilling for dictator Gbagbo in Ivory Coast.
“…these rumblings have been out on the net.”
I understand that most all of these topics were reported somewhere before— I’ve even made posts on many of them—; but there was no confirmation from government or high enough placed sources that raised most of these topics from hearsay until now.
The value of the documents is to make the topics open for serious investigation rather than dismissing them as unsubstantiated.
There’s enough here to get an impeachment if they’re investigated.
Also, I posited that the US was behind the Honduran military coup or minimally had foreknowledge: the cables have borne that out.
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/11/29-9
When the Honduran coup occurred I spent a lot of time arguing this simply made sense as Zelaya was kidnapped and flown from the country from
Soto Cano. But the overwhelming number of people I conversed with were insistent I was wrong. And they invented all sorts of stupid specious “reasons” why the military coup wasn’t a military coup.
But the cables show clearly that the US knew it was a military coup and that we knowingly broke our own laws continuing to send money to Honduras.
Clowns the internet over who argued with me were the ones who were wrong, the evidence was there all along that they were wrong, but they preferred to lie to themselves. While frankly one imagines they’re too stupid to stop lying to themselves even in the face of overwhelming evidence, at least history has born me out as correct. And I’m very pleased to say so.
December 21, 2010 at 3:26 pm
WSJ it was done to please Chavez.
It never ends.
December 21, 2010 at 3:29 pm
And yes, you have picked up on the details.
December 21, 2010 at 5:27 pm
Unfortunately I don’t have a subscription to read but the opening paragraph, but I can tell already that it’s propaganda (wow from WSJ owned by Rupert fucking Murdoch who coincidentally has business ties to Globovision (the opposition-to-Chavez media conglomerate) which opposition is also backed by hundreds of millions of US dollars— that was also in the cables, lol— one is shocked, yes, shocked!
Chavez supported Zelaya, not his overthrow, in fact he was his most vociferous supporter.
http://venezuelanalysis.com/analysis/2425
As for Ford (a SOCOM business advisor, can one say conflict of interest?), he is a shill and says what he’s freaking well told: he is exactly like Lanny Davis.
And here’s why: Zelaya got Honduras in Petrocaribe and the US could no longer dictate how much Honduras had to pay for it’s oil. Not that he put it that way of course:
“4. (S) In the period May-June 2006, Zelaya pressed me hard to obtain President Bush’s approval of his plan to join PetroCaribe. When he met in early June with President Bush who confirmed our strong opposition to his intention, Zelaya later told me that he was surprised that this item had been on our agenda. In short, over an almost three year period it has become crystal clear to me that Zelaya’s views change by the day or in some cases by the hour, depending on his mood and who he has seen last.”
Lol, what a whiner.
The same corrupt names appear again and again in the region: John Negroponte, Lanny Davis, Otto Reich, Hugo Llorens, Robert Blau, John McCain, Ileana Ros-Lehtinen…
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=14390
And also this clown, soon to be booted from Caracas: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/chavez-would-expel-us-ambassador-2164860.html
“He went ahead and said whatever he felt like saying, disrespecting Venezuela, a group of honourable generals, the government, the Venezuelan constitution,” Mr Chavez said in a televised speech. “How is he going to be ambassador? He disqualified himself.”
Mr Chavez chuckled as he addressed Nicolas Maduro, the Foreign Minister, saying Mr Palmer must be stopped if he attempts to fly into Caracas’ airport in Maiquetia. “If he arrives at Maiquetia, grab him, Nicolas, grab him,” Chavez said. “Give Mr Palmer a coffee from me, then ‘bye-bye’. He cannot enter this country.”
The US State Department insisted Mr Palmer is the best candidate. Arturo Valenzuela, the US Assistant Secretary of State, said if the Senate confirms Palmer as ambassador, he will soon be sent to Caracas.”
And that is the US version of diplomacy.
on a brighter note, look at Halliburton paying off Nigeria for Cheney’s bribery charge. It is possible to exact some sort of payback from these pos when one has the leverage. More leaks, more leverage.
December 21, 2010 at 6:26 pm
I find the WSG fair most of the time. I have known one of their journalists for over thirty years. I can tell you that he does not write propaganda.
December 21, 2010 at 6:38 pm
I no longer read WSJ, I am entirely dissatisfied with their coverage of the banking industry fraud that has annihilated our economy.
I have no opinion as to your friend, I am speaking of the paper a a whole.
December 21, 2010 at 7:00 pm
I understand Nom. Personally, I don’t think we should have to pay for the articles but it is the way that they will all go at some point.
December 21, 2010 at 9:33 pm
excellent:
wikileaks exposes canadian govt illegally wiretapping mohawks
http://bsnorrell.blogspot.com/2010/08/wikileaks-canadas-unauthorized-wiretaps.html
and wikileaks exposes gag order on Guardian preventing them from commenting on the Minton Report re- Trafigura’s toxic dumping disaster inflicted on the Ivory Coast by oil trading which hospitalized up to 100,000 people.
http://mirror.wikileaks.info/wiki/Guardian_still_under_secret_toxic_waste_gag/
December 29, 2010 at 7:54 pm
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2649095/posts
lol, looks like Mr. Palmer had his coffee.
waaahhhh!!
US packs Bernardo Alvarez Herrera’s toys and sends him home in retaliation
lol, these fuckers are like so 3rd grade.
amazing they run the freaking world.
December 30, 2010 at 6:56 am
1st grade
December 30, 2010 at 7:19 pm
http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2010/12/30/lanny_davis_resigns_ivory_coast/index.html
it looks like Lanny Davis realized the US backs the opposition to Gbagbo (Outtara is an IMF shill, not probably a longterm improvement over the military dictator)
bloodsuckers all around,
January 3, 2011 at 7:52 am
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/01/germany-joint-spy-satellite-project-cable/
somehow I don’t think the US & German governments wanted us to know that not only are they planning to spy on us 24/7 but that they planned to lie to us about it; while I’ve never doubted that this move to global surveillance is going on, I never heard anything of US-German development of it until now either
December 4, 2010 at 7:53 pm
btw Lanny Davis has now been openly hired by the military coup installed government in Honduras.
December 4, 2010 at 9:09 pm
The day that my paypal account makes the “news”, I won’t need it any longer…
I just don’t get this. I mean, practically everything in those “secret” documents was already widely regarded as fact anyway…
I guess for some, the ability to pay wikileaks for information that has been widely known for eons is somehow empowering. Now that the plug has been pulled, I guess people will have to read what’s already readily available out there…
Wikileaks to me is like preaching to the choir. Nothing new. Move along…
December 4, 2010 at 9:13 pm
Like this little tidbit…
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/dec/03/wikileaks-us-manipulated-climate-accord
That is, the CIA has been behind the manipulation of so-called “climate change” data… Wow. Tell me something I don’t know or haven’t already suspected…
Anything to keep the status quo happily in place… Always happy to protect and serve … the interest of the nation. As for the rest of us – yeah, go fetch those wikileaks and pretend they’re big time secrets…
Just sayin’ is all, ya know…
December 5, 2010 at 5:52 pm
“That is, the CIA has been behind the manipulation of so-called “climate change” data”
that is not what your link states; rather, it says that the cia wanted intel on “countries’ negotiating positions for Copenhagen” and “evidence of UN environmental “treaty circumvention” and deals between nations.”
climate change, specifically an overall trend of escalated warming, is real.
I am not in favor of cap and trade legislation which is merely another way to force the costs of the behavior of the rich onto the poor; I think there is plenty of room for argument as to the degree of anthropogenesis, and what can be done about warming.
but half the world’s population lives within 100 miles of a coast and the sea level is rising. already there are south sea islands that have been evacuated, as well as indigenous groups in Alaska.
one had better hope that climate change is man made because then there’s some ability to remedy it. if anyone thinks moving several billion people inland over the course of the next hundred years or so is going to be a small task, (not to mention trying to bring replacement millions of aces of lost cropland under cultivation) well freaking think again.
as for the apparently eternally misrepresented climate change emails, that is data reconciliation between dissimilar methodologies.
for example, I measure a house in linear feet with my folding rule and you measure it in linear meters with your folding rule, and then convert your linear meters to linear feet. there is not much difference. but if you measure the distance between, oh, say the moon and earth with your folding rule in meters vs my folding rule in feet, the difference in rounding error makes a very large difference.
data between sets of different experiments is like this.
satellite information (and much of climate data is based upon this) must be corrected for angle and time. it’s also corrected against current maps. even the atomic clocks on board do not tell the exact same time and data from one satellite has to be adjusted against that of another. science is messy.
I do not state that all scientific studies are accurate and honest; this applies to climate change studies as well. But before one settles on a conclusion that there is money in falsifying data to show climate change, therefore it must be happening, one must also see there is money in business as usual. primary climate change opponents are employed by big energy. It is like the Sinclair quote: “It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his job depends on not understanding it.”
December 5, 2010 at 9:11 pm
Silence coupled with the knowledge of wrongdoing is tantamount to complicity in my book…
The CIA knew what the hell was going on with the manipulation of the climate change date. They sat on it until it was time to blow the whole thing wide open.
Now, long after the whole thing simmered for far too long, the notion of climate change has already been implanted in young little slaves minds.
Hearts and minds – that’s all that’s needed to win today’s wars to protect the status quo…
Just sayin’ is all, ya know…
December 5, 2010 at 9:17 pm
Data, not date. Sorry. I got carried away…
But anywho, it just stands to reason that the CIA knew what was going on. The rest of us out here were left scratching our head wondering why this thing cropped up in the first place.
It’s all about the dough. There’s a war going on among the rich – the very rich, that is – whose supposed special power and insight, like that which Al Gore claims to have, is kept in check.
And thank God for that…
December 6, 2010 at 11:27 am
I trust you will concur that the christian science monitor and nasa at least are not leftwing, and that the christian science monitor and world focus at least are not operated by the cia
http://www.csmonitor.com/Environment/Bright-Green/2008/1111/faced-with-rising-sea-levels-the-maldives-seek-new-homeland
http://whatisthetrend.net/nasa-says-climate-change-warms-large-lakes-on-earth-20105459.html
http://worldfocus.org/blog/2009/06/12/rising-sea-levels-force-island-populations-to-evacuate/5779/o
December 4, 2010 at 9:19 pm
I sort of agree with you. So far nothing in wikileaks reports really shocked me. Personally I don’t see nothing wrong with having a whistle blower website. We were promised transparency but have yet to receive it.
December 4, 2010 at 9:54 pm
cutting off WikiLeaks’ account was prompted by a violation of the service provider’s policy, “which states that our payment service cannot be used for any activities that encourage, promote, facilitate or instruct others to engage in illegal activity.”
Good for PayPal. The govt under obama and the obmacrats has the morals of a flea. They celebrate illegality. Thank goodness at least someone in the private sector sticks to the priniples is establishes.
December 4, 2010 at 10:13 pm
Paypal has a history of steering clear of controversy. They started bailing during the primaries as I recall. The interesting thing about Paypal and Ebay is that they are very intrusive.
December 5, 2010 at 12:33 am
Intrusive in what way? I buy and make donations using PayPal; never get any hassle, personal questions, etc. Please advise.
December 5, 2010 at 9:29 am
Do you remember when everyone on Blogger was having difficulty during the primaries? The blogs would be shut down and then they might come back in a few days. Well, if that didn’t work, a round of complaints would shut down Paypal donations to sites as well. This is not an unusual circumstance Mary.
When you purchase anything, the seller is supposed to remember that using Paypal is by condition only.
Ebay now owns Paypal. That said, in the beginning they would only allow users if they had all of the seller’s personal data which included credit card numbers left on file as well as bank accounts. The options were none. They still ask for all of that, but they now offer a few more options for the sellers. It is a bit better, but there are still many people who refuse to use Paypal as a method of payment because they don’t need another entity in their personal information. Don’t get me started on Ebay. LOL
There is a paypal sucks site. They point to many of the flaws which may or may not be spot on right now as Paypal has evolved quite a bit. I use Paypal. I have used it since it’s inception. I have had only one problem and that was a small amount (under $9.99) that was paid on an item that I never received. It was during the earliest years of Paypal.
December 5, 2010 at 8:15 pm
McN,
Thanks for the detailed explanation. The only outfit that ever gave me trouble–caused a bollux, in fact–was my credit card co. They were trying to protect my account because the transaction was for much more than my usual purchases. The end result was cancellation of the card they believed had been compromised and issuance of a new one. Lots of incoiveneience ensued, yet it was reassuring to know they are so security cooscious.
December 6, 2010 at 7:18 am
That is not so bad Mary. You can never be too secure in my opinion.
December 5, 2010 at 12:14 pm
Did anyone really believe that we don’t have spies in the State Department?
That said, there’s a smarmy quality about Assange that just makes me want to bitch-slap him a little. Don’t quite know why, but I’ll own it.
December 5, 2010 at 12:41 pm
Can I help, please? He sounds like a snot as well.
December 5, 2010 at 3:31 pm
To be honest, I really want to slap the living shit out of him. Don’t know why, but will be putting my therapist to the test on this on Wed. Will keep you informed.
And of course, you may help. “Sharing is caring”, right?
December 6, 2010 at 7:16 am
Yes, sharing is caring!
December 5, 2010 at 7:24 pm
well, there’s smarmy and then there’s creepy:
this is not, I repeat, not the Onion:
“No country should pursue its own interests in Iraq at the expense of Iraq’s unity and sovereignty. And no country should threaten or intimidate or coerce Iraq or political stakeholders in Iraq.”
Thus spaketh your Secy of State Clinton
http://www.america.gov/st/texttrans-english/2010/December/20101203184835su0.1355794.html?CP.rss=true
December 6, 2010 at 8:03 am
Thanks, Nom. One more reason for me to remember that both parties suck like nothing that has ever or will ever suck.
My support for everyone (including my former unconditional support for SOS Clinton) is a thing of the past.
Now, after all the kabuki theater, I have trust in no one, and my votes are now being cast with a different agenda.
For example, I voted for that crazy-ass Palladino, knowing full well that he was nuts and that Cuomo was a shoo-in for Gov. so the margin in my (predominantly and ridiculously) “blue” state would be smaller.
Pointless? Maybe, but those margins are something that the myopic and narcissistic elected officials take more seriously than they should, and at least they’re aware that their support both as a party and an individual has waned.
Pretty lame, I know, but its all I’ve got
December 6, 2010 at 10:37 am
Anthony, we have to do what we have to do.
December 6, 2010 at 11:26 am
I would have voted for the Rent Is Too Damn High party…
On second thought, I would have kept my ballot as a souvenir, gone out and bought a funky outfit from Goodwill, including some wild glasses, and do what all aspiring political junkies do, which is basically participate in the biggest farce ever created on planet Earth…
Then again, I think I’d just probably vote Republican straight down the line. Same thing.
December 6, 2010 at 12:26 pm
Hahahahahahaha.
December 6, 2010 at 7:02 pm
glad to hear you’re also done with Clinton.
I gave up with the nonexistent Iranian embassy in Nicaragua, it was just the final fucking lying straw.
(real not faux/hijacked) 3rd party only for me, no more lesser evils of legacy parties.
the Rent Is Too Damn High party backed McMillan who runs as a dem
I want a Catfood Party, none of this halfway sh#t.
December 6, 2010 at 2:20 pm
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/wikileaks/8184534/WikiLeaks-net-closes-on-Julian-Assange-as-Scotland-Yard-receive-full-arrest-papers.html
the descent into fascism by our nation is surely complete. welcome to airstrip one.
December 6, 2010 at 2:29 pm
Your perception of this is very different from mine. I think Assange is already making arrangements to be taken in at his discretion.
December 6, 2010 at 2:42 pm
yes it is. meanwhile, pay no attention to
the machinations behind the curtainthishttp://www.kansascity.com/2010/12/04/2497166/bid-to-limit-tax-cuts-to-middle.html
December 7, 2010 at 8:23 am
and now he is arrested
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/dec/06/wikileaks-julian-assange-police
December 6, 2010 at 6:37 pm
OT but the Geminids are starting
http://www.meteorblog.com/2010/12/december-meteor-shower-schedule/
December 7, 2010 at 10:43 am
more OT: crazy nuts decide to burn down the Jakubec home as a solution. What do you want to bet the “government” is more concerned with eliminating any information that links him to the feds that might come out if the house were sold or demolished after the usual fashion?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101206/ap_on_re_us/us_explosive_house
December 7, 2010 at 1:22 pm
Chemical residue has already caused problems, therefore it should be blown up.
December 7, 2010 at 6:25 pm
it should be dismantled, carted away, and incinerated where the gases can be trapped, not incinerated openair in a freaking neighborhood where residue from burning will settle in everyone’s yard and the watershed.
December 8, 2010 at 7:11 am
Why go to such lengths? Their are many hotels, stadiums, etc that are imploded within city limits.
December 8, 2010 at 7:20 am
they aren’t filled with chemicals like this either.
December 7, 2010 at 1:21 pm
THat is beautiful.
December 6, 2010 at 6:50 pm
http://stopmebeforeivoteagain.org/2010/12/two_can_play_at_that_game.html
LOL
December 8, 2010 at 9:58 am
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/12/avenging-wikileaks-anonymous-hackers-takes-mastercard-site/
and lol again
December 8, 2010 at 3:58 pm
article now updated, they got visa too.
LOL
December 8, 2010 at 7:22 am
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/lieberman-suggests-investigating-new-york-times-for-publishing-wikileaks-data/
if little silver fascist warning bells aren’t going off in one’s head now, one must be tone deaf.
December 8, 2010 at 8:41 am
Salacious, huh? It’s just blabbing…there is absolutely no bite behind it. That was on the live blog yesterday and immediately it was dispensed with simply because the US doesn’t have the goods to prosecute Assange. It’s just talk to make people aware, that is all.
December 8, 2010 at 9:47 am
if they are openly talking about censoring the press anywhere, anytime that’s news. No bite? Get real. They are talking about rewriting the espionage law specifically to prosecute Assange RETROACTIVELY. The idea of retroactive prosecution should ring some warning bells too.
This nation grows more like China every day.
December 8, 2010 at 9:55 am
Scare tactics. Assange posted something stolen. I think he is a criminal. If they take him away, I am fine by it.
December 8, 2010 at 10:03 am
he didn’t do anything different than any of the rest of the media, because he didn’t steal any information, it was given him. so I take it you’re also for arresting the heads of NYT, Spiegel, Daily Mail, LeMonde etc, not to mention all the media that has run synopses and quoted from the cables, CNN, FOX, McClatchy et al? Oh, and all the online blogs including yours that has printed quotes I myself have put there?
December 8, 2010 at 10:06 am
When a “government” threatens illegalities like retroactive prosecution and denial of freedom of speech and claims its opponents are all criminals and invents charges just so as to be able to arrest them, that would be the very definition of a banana republic.
December 8, 2010 at 10:15 am
well, here’s something new anyhow, another fbi bomb plot: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/12/08/national/main7130061.shtml
December 8, 2010 at 10:27 am
Another fool. Some guy who is Hispanic and converted. He has a 2pm appearance today in court.
Nom, you and I have a lot of stuff to do each day. How is it that these people have the time wreak havoc?
December 8, 2010 at 12:56 pm
well the fbi prevented the last guy from getting a job. maybe that had something to do with it.
(they are still a pair of useless losers, I am agreed).
December 8, 2010 at 10:34 am
He took information that was not his to begin with. I can walk through a yard with all sorts of stuff laying on the ground. I can look at it or I can disseminate it. It is my choice. This is a clear example of choice. It was stolen information. They made the choice of disseminating it. I think they are a criminal entity. I don’t see them any different than an extortionist.
What do you think medical information is? The government will have access to all of it based on medical necessity. Millions of people have access to all sorts of information. What if someday, wikileaks decides to publish handed (stolen) medical information because it so righteously deems it to be a good thing? BULLSHIT on that. It is not and never was their information. They are irresponsible criminals. It is no different than someone driving the getaway car to the shooting. Someone hands the keys over and they aren’t responsible for the act that takes place? Somehow, personal accountability means nothing to the people at Wikileaks.
December 8, 2010 at 12:55 pm
one cannot
should not be able to becharged with crimes one hasn’t committed. does anyone seriously propose amending the law to arrest people for things they might do, someday? that’s crazy. anyone might do anything. until they try to do so, no crime has been committed.and you have not answered the central question of how wikileaks’ dissemination of the cables differs from anyone else’s, including mine here on your own blog.
December 8, 2010 at 1:02 pm
It was their choice to disseminate. There is no personal accountability.
December 8, 2010 at 1:54 pm
I understand that you believe wikileaks to be a criminal organization: but how does wikileaks’ dissemination differ from anyone else’s: foreign press, the US’ msm, local newspapers, blogs etc that have carried the exact same information? If merely repeating information from the cables is all that is needed to make one a criminal, then I and you both are criminals: me for quoting it here, and you for letting me.
December 8, 2010 at 1:57 pm
We are discussing the cables after the fact. The documents were sent to one entity and they sent them forward. I didn’t leak any cables to anyone. That I discussed with you or anyone else about the incident is nothing. That Wikileaks picks and chooses what is released to media outlets is another matter.
December 8, 2010 at 3:54 pm
but how is it different for wikileaks to forward the info to say NYT, and them to forward it on to say a reader like me, who then quotes what they posted?
why does wikileaks only have the responsibility to break the forwarding-on chain, and not anyone else?
if the cables are so detrimental to national security (claim 1) or if merely possessing the info is wrong/illegal etc (claim 2), then plainly, anyone publishing any bit of the cables, even a sentence or two, is at fault.
December 20, 2010 at 6:47 pm
When Assange stated that he was a journalist, and was handing out the candy that was stolen, that was enough for me to see through his ruse. I don’t want that man or anyone else pilfering through what they want and placing it on the internet for the world at their discretion.
First of all, it was stolen material. I worked for the government at one point in my life. You are told in no uncertain terms that if you have clearance at a certain point, that is for your eyes only period. What is so hard to understand about Manning stealing the material and then turning it over to a faux journalist who has a personal beef with a government? He took stolen materials and handed them out.
Manning didn’t contact you or I. He needed a venue. He found it at Wikileaks. Neither you nor I made a conscious choice about what to disseminate from the document pile. We were given the material that Wikileaks decided would be fitting at the moment. I find it interesting that they pick and choose what is important. Furthermore, information that needs to be redacted is being made by someone who doesn’t have command of the entire picture. It is quite possible that something that may look benign could be a serious problem for another human being, state or country.
What I find most distasteful is Assange wanting his personal information to stay hush hush. Good grief, that is transparency? Who is Assange aiding and abetting? Most of what we are seeing leaked, we had previously recognized as a strong possibility. Assange has stated that he wants to stop the wars…who appointed him God? This guy has some issues. IMO, his background smacks of POTUS, Charles Manson, Ted Kazinsky, or any other number of narcissists…take your pick.
December 21, 2010 at 6:02 pm
I don’t have much of an opinion of Assange, I know very little about him. I find a lot of the quotes attributed to him reasonable and well articulated, but that’s at most a tiny sliver of what a person is like.
I’d need more factual data to form an opinion. I have read only one account that states his lawyer wanted his bail address kept private— the article did not offer whether this was at Assange’s direction or not— one imagines the lawyer wants as little surveillance of his client and as much of their discourse to remain unwiretapped as possible (as any lawyer would want in order to get his client as fair a trial as possible). If Assange doesn’t like how it worked out, too bad for him. I certainly don’t have a problem with the information being public. I would not support a government wiretap of the place though.
I do support Manning’s decision to leak the information, if he is in fact the leaker, something for which he has not been charged even though he has now spent 7 months in solitary confinement the first 2 in a Kuwaiti military jail. Holding any pesons without due process is imo a crime. I really don’t give a rat’s ass about whatever faux laws have been added to our legal system in order to make this “legal”: this is anathema to democratic principles.
One can argue the documents are stolen certainly— I would agree that a crime has been committed— but I would argue that the oath he took was to obey lawful orders only.
If he felt war crimes were being committed and covered up I don’t see that he had much alternative than to leak the information. Warcrimes are much more serious than leaking warcrimes, imo. In that position I might well have done the same. But again, I know little of Manning the person. I did like a childhood acquaintance’s recollection of him that he was generally speaking a quiet person, but that he didn’t back down from what he believed even if it got him into trouble and that he was known for standing up for others.
I’m grateful to both Manning if he is the leaker (or one of the leakers as seems more likely imo) and WikiLeaks for the video Collateral Murder, and the documents, none of which I would have ever seen otherwise, despite that my tax dollars help to fund these murders around the globe.
I find your dislike of WikiLeaks’s choosing of the order of documents to release (if they have done so: I don’t even know that they were not selected randomly or by some internal system of organization) puzzling. I just want it all as soon as possible, I do not especially care about any order.
December 21, 2010 at 6:11 pm
They did not disclose everything Nom, they decided what to put out. I find all of this deplorable. I don’t think that this is any different than some pathetic person disclosing private health information just because. Manning is a creepy kid who has serious issues. I hope he rots in prison. As for Assange, I am sure that the powers that be are deciding how and what to do with him. I will be happy when he and Manning meet their end. There are always far more details that are not disclosed. I would hate for either of these two to sit on a jury. As they say, there is always more than meets the eye.
December 21, 2010 at 6:30 pm
Manning is serving at the discretion of POTUS right now. This country owns Manning. He is a criminal. Perhaps the solitary confinement will teach him to meditate.
December 21, 2010 at 6:14 pm
“Furthermore, information that needs to be redacted is being made by someone who doesn’t have command of the entire picture. It is quite possible that something that may look benign could be a serious problem for another human being, state or country.”
This is a very good point. My answer is, I don’t forget that WikiLeaks offered to let the feds review the documents for just that reason and they refused. I do not find it all unlikely that the feds are hoping someone will be harmed merely as ammunition. It’s not like the “government” hasn’t admitted to many false flags: http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2010/02/governments-have-admitted-that-they.html
they are not concerned with loss of innocent life else they wouldn’t have started all these wars and wouldn’t kill people indiscriminately, but they did and do.
As I said on the last wiki thread: Those who created these wars are responsible for their entirety including the results of any publication of their deeds.
December 21, 2010 at 6:34 pm
Again, you and I think differently. Who appointed either of these two God? They did and they aren’t my God. They cannot possibly know every minutia that is tied to each “revelation.” I find this behavior as condescending as the governments. They know better?
December 21, 2010 at 6:22 pm
“I don’t think that this is any different than some pathetic person disclosing private health information just because.”
That may well be the root of our different views. I do think it is very different. I don’t support leaking of all data, everywhere, anytime. But I support completely forcing transparency on our dear leaders. Because they’re evil. And they’re committing evil in my name and putting blood on my hands. I’d like to see them fry in hell for it.
December 21, 2010 at 6:32 pm
Your assumption that all are evil is also quite different from mine Nom.
December 21, 2010 at 6:44 pm
well if they support transparency and the “government” does not, it would seem to me they do know better, at least than the “government”.
Given the choice of the two, I take Wikileaks.
but I’ll back anyone who will reveal the monstrousness of the oligarchs in vivid enough detail that people demand their removal.
December 21, 2010 at 7:00 pm
You have every right to follow whomever you wish.
December 21, 2010 at 6:50 pm
“Manning is serving at the discretion of POTUS right now. This country owns Manning.”
I take the strongest exception possible to this. No nation owns its citizens. IT IS THE OTHER WAY AROUND.
Manning has a contract with a branch of the government. He is not a slave.
December 21, 2010 at 7:08 pm
Personally, I think he should own it and stop bawling. When you sign that contract you are obligated to the terms. Did you sign up for military duty? I didn’t because I didn’t want to sign on the bottom line. He did. He f*cked up. He maybe your hero, but I see nothing heroic about him. I see a very young and unwise person.
December 21, 2010 at 7:00 pm
“Your assumption that all are evil is also quite different from mine Nom.”
I am uncertain which “all” you mean? Oligarchs? yes I do think so: it’s part of the definition of the word.
December 21, 2010 at 7:07 pm
I don’t follow anyone. That is perhaps the core of my beliefs. I do not abdicate my conscience to any other.
December 8, 2010 at 1:07 pm
The information was stolen. It wasn’t theirs to disseminate. I hope Wikileaks is shut down forever. I find it gross that they would hide behind “we were given the information.” Actually, I find it to be a cowardly act. Own it if you take something stolen.
December 21, 2010 at 7:21 pm
I have said that I agree that if Manning is the or a leaker that he has committed a crime. I have no problem with a trial. That is the proper avenue. Holding him in custody without charges in solitary confinement without access to counsel is what I find objectionable. There ought to be charges, detention until a trial not exceeding an appropriate amount of time (better legal minds than I can determine what a fair and speedy trial constitutes), and a trial.
December 21, 2010 at 7:22 pm
oops, don’t know how I ended up down here, must have clicked wrong reply button.
December 21, 2010 at 7:56 pm
Hee hee…I do it ALL the time.
December 21, 2010 at 7:55 pm
He has a contract with the US Government. I think they can keep him wherever they wish. His four years aren’t up yet. He is not a private citizen.
December 21, 2010 at 8:52 pm
In the past if someone’s actions were deemed treason, there would a court martial, not indefinite detention without charge or trial.
Nothing can persuade me that this is in any way representative of a free nation.
This is what used to horrify us about the Stasi.
December 22, 2010 at 1:26 pm
http://pubrecord.org/law/8673/white-house-drafts-executive-order/
and now BHO will make indefinite detention an official part of his regime as well
anyone who does not think now the dems are the other white meat are hallucinating; both of these parties need to go
December 22, 2010 at 2:54 pm
Wow Nom. Hey, you will find that many people think both parties stink to high hell.
December 22, 2010 at 3:07 pm
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/12/leaks-leaked-norway-publication-claims-complete-cablegate-archive/
well, it appears WikiLeaks has decided to just dump the motherlode;
one hopes you are pleased as well.
December 22, 2010 at 3:51 pm
I wonder what’s making them give it all away in one blow?
December 22, 2010 at 3:36 pm
http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/Voices.php/2010/12/14/leaked-cable-hike-food-prices-to-boost-g
lovely:
another cable shows US & Spanish trade officials scheming to hike prices on real food in order to strongarm buyers into purchasing gmos
more leaks plz
December 22, 2010 at 5:17 pm
maybe they think they’ll be prevented else
December 8, 2010 at 7:59 pm
After pay pal got hacked, they released the funds to wikileaks. You can google it for the link. I’m having difficulty linking it on my iPad.
December 9, 2010 at 6:46 am
http://www.techweet.com/story/caving-to-pressure-from-supporters-paypal-releases-wikileaks-funds
funny
December 9, 2010 at 6:46 pm
okay, no matter whose side one is on, this is funny:
December 20, 2010 at 6:31 pm
OMG, those Taiwanese people are so funny. They never miss a beat.