Donald Trump Interview: Transcript Part Two – George Stephanopoulos’ Bottom Line. Come on, that’s a great line. It makes the administration and squirm. It makes the GOP nuts.
Melania had to show hers.
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April 19, 2011
“Maybe I’m going to do the tax returns when Obama does his birth certificate. … I’d love to give my tax returns. I may tie my tax returns into Obama’s birth certificate.”
Posted by mcnorman under Uncategorized[49] Comments
April 19, 2011 at 6:48 am
Okay, so yesterday I opened my mail to find a directive from my state university retirement system telling me that I HAVE TO SEND THEM A COPY OF MY BIRTH CERTIFICATE as there is no way to prove I am old enough to retire! I nearly sent a reply asking if they ever asked TehOne for his birth certificate to prove his birthdate. (This is the same state where oilsoc “worked” as a legislator.)
(They also said that a copy of my SS card is not sufficient proof. Neither is my driver license or my state ID) lol
April 19, 2011 at 9:48 am
No way leslie, if that is not the mother of all insults? Teh Won doesn’t have to, we can just take his word that he was born in the manger, but you must prove your age. Outstanding!
April 19, 2011 at 11:09 am
Maybe you can tell them you plan to run for POTUS next year?
That ought to get you past this roadblock with no problems……
April 19, 2011 at 11:29 am
lol. That’s what I told a friend after I read the letter!
April 19, 2011 at 12:17 pm
Hey Leslie,
I’ve got a SS card from Rhode Island you can have!
Formerly belonged to some Barry Soehartono or such……..
April 19, 2011 at 4:00 pm
ROFLMAO !!
April 19, 2011 at 8:48 am
I told y’all that the massa wants them oil fields no matter what. And it looks like the massa done gone and put Trump up as the next big boss mane.
I ‘spose kissin’ a** didn’t work with O-What’s-His-Name, so screw it. We’re just gonna go steal, er, take the oil that rightfully belongs to us and be done with it. And there. Mission accomplished. And iffens y’all don’t snap to and do as you’re told then you’re fired!
April 19, 2011 at 8:51 am
Oh, and btw, Trump, er, the media, are playing the useless idiot birthers just like they played the youth and the teevee generation to the hilt with O-What’s-His-Name. It’s all about marketing. When gas hits five bucks a gallon, Trump can basically start packing his crap and get ready to move into 1600.
April 19, 2011 at 9:49 am
I don’t think this is a done deal Unc. I suspect we are going to get quite a show in the months to come.
April 19, 2011 at 2:54 pm
unless some opposition party and I don’t mean the dems gets enough coverage of his business ties to Soros, his start (financed by his father the billionaire) with the Pritzkers,
hey that reminds me of something, it’ll come to me; or else people getthe brains to bedisgusted by the idea of voting for a billionaire who has declared bankruptcy 3 times shorting his investors billions of dollars, and who makes his corrupt living off the rigged financial system crushing us that allows him for example to avoid paying taxes on things like a $3,237,927 million dollar business disguised as a foundation http://cryptome.org/, see trump-wwe-2009.ziphey that reminds me of something too, it’ll come to me http://mcnorman.wordpress.com/2011/04/14/not-for-profit-boards-should-they-take-pay/.April 19, 2011 at 9:23 am
lmao….I could only enjoy this more if I could watch barry squirm up close and personal.
“Say What You Will…It Feels So Good”
April 19, 2011 at 9:50 am
Oh yeah, that is a worthy visual.
April 19, 2011 at 9:50 am
You know that he is getting crazy. Fearmongering is up next.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iYNZEqzd5mfqB8OWwwuwj_UG1Kow?docId=5424b3323efd4472bab2cba8108dc338
April 19, 2011 at 9:55 am
Gas up ten cents overnight here- and no Tuesday discount as we have had for the past few years.
Personally I think Trump is on the right track. I don’t think we should “take over” the oil fields – but by golly if they want our help- they should PAY for it. Up front. Oil or gold only.
It costs a shitload of money and fuel to send and keep our troops over there.
They can pay or they can sort it out themselves.
April 19, 2011 at 10:01 am
Barky is looking at tax hikes. Let’s begin with payment.
April 19, 2011 at 10:17 am
I’ve been watching the news from other parts of the country and the only places w/higher gas prices than where I live (in IL) has been Hawaii – land of the messiah – and CA.
If there were ever a discount tuesday or any other day – I missed it.
BTW: on comcast “news” today it named the 10 places hardest hit with gas prices. It named Indiana, but I know plenty of people in Illnois who are driving to Indiana for their gas purchases. I’m driving to Wisconsin for my gas – when I have enough gas to get there.
April 19, 2011 at 10:49 am
leslie- the discount Tuesday thing has been around in our little NW PA burg for a few years. And only at two specific stations. It used to be six cents a gallon, then five, then four- and today- nothing. I know it’s not much- but every penny helped.
Am committed to traveling to Louisiana next month to care for the grandchildren while Mom is deployed and my son is on an out of state assignment. Was hoping to treat them to a few activities.
Hah! Price signal. Change behavior.
Idiots.
This speculation in energy, especially oil- and in food has got to stop.
April 19, 2011 at 11:41 am
ouch! I agree the speculation is killing us all.
Mom ~ You are such a good grandmother!
April 19, 2011 at 8:40 pm
“…They could
squeeze the water out of stocks, and decree that dividends
shall be declared only upon cash investments.
They could make the cornering of food products of
the country a crime, and send the scoundrels guilty of
the crime to the penitentiary…”
April 19, 2011 at 12:19 pm
You’d think at least Oprah’s
“Teh One” could turn water into gasoline!!!!!!!
April 19, 2011 at 8:40 pm
I’d settle for him just drinking gasoline instead of water.
April 19, 2011 at 3:35 pm
what Trump suggests, is a war crime and is against the Geneva Conventions.
Further the Libyan people as a whole did not ask us there to remove Qaddafi for them: a bunch of US “government”-financed, CIA directed, Al Qaeda-affiliated rebels asked. There’s a difference.
The African union voted against the
no-fly zoneinvasion. As for the Arab league, the meeting at which it was approved was held in secret with representatives of only 11 of the 22 member countries participant. Of those 11, 9 were for, and 2 against, so not even half of the AL backed the invasion. The backers include the Gulf Cooperative Council, 5 of which [Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar, Oman, & Kuwait] are invading the 6th member [Bahrain]; those 5 coincidentally will be selling Libya’s oil once we take it for them. They’ve already got a bank of their very own, very foresighted!And for godssake, does anyone really believe they owe us for dropping bombs on them and stealing their oil? Unbelievable.
April 19, 2011 at 7:39 pm
Many of these countries have fed off the teat far too long. The governments align themselves and willingly sacrifice the people. It’s only far to pay for services used. I don’t feel like paying for Abdullah’s portion.
April 19, 2011 at 7:42 pm
Believe me when I tell you that I don’t like this. I detest the UN as the haven for despots that it is. We cannot solve everyone’s problems. I hear POTUS thinks it’s swell to throw $140,000 to each individual. That doesn’t solve the problem with mankind which is that what one doesn’t have, another wants at any expense. IMO this is never going to change.
April 19, 2011 at 8:25 pm
I do not understand what you mean.
“Many of these countries have fed off the teat for far too long.”
Which countries specifically and whose teat? Do you mean the US “government” via the taxpayer dollars/ manufactured debt we pay? Foreign aid makes up only a very small part of US spending: about 1.6% of the discretionary budget (& the discretionary budget, as opposed to the mandatory budget, makes up only around 35-40% of the whole budget: so this is <1% of the entire budget). Libya was set to receive $875,000 for 2011. If there are 350 million Americans this works out to 0.0025c (25/1000 of a cent) apiece. This is less than the rounding error in my morning coffee (prepared food in NC is taxed at a rate of 0.0775c but they round up).
A couple of regional comparisons: $439,979,000 for Sudan; $3,000,000,000 for Israel, $0 for Syria; $3,053,600,000 for Pakistan; $5,680,000 for Mauritania.
“The governments align themselves and willingly sacrifice the people.”
Which governments align themselves in what fashion and sacrifice which people?
I was speaking of Libya.
The US withdrew its ambassador to Libya back in the early 70s. We ran trade wars and sanctions against them until past 2000. Finally Qaddafi decided to normalize relations with the US in the early 2000s; he destroyed his stockpiles of chemical weapons, and we reopened business. Ever since then, we’ve been in Libya financing dissent
becauseeven though Libya is the most generally prosperous nation in Africa and has the highest HDI (53) making it the only African nation to achieve the rank of “high”. Now we are bombing the sh#t out of Libya striking civilians, Qaddafi’s troops, and even our al Qaeda affiliated henchmen in our quest to steal Libya’s oil and sow chaos.Big incentive for anyone else to give up their weapons and try for a peaceful settlement.“It’s only fair to pay for services used.”
Those using the US’ military’s services (and the US military is NATO by and large) are the al Qaeda affiliated rebels we are financing, and they are paying by destabilizing the country so we can continue to steal Libya’s oil. Btw, how does it feel to you the idea that we service al Qaeda?
“I don’t feel like paying Abdullah’s portion”.
Who is Abdullah? Qaddafi? Qaddafi’s troops? His supporters? The “rebels”? The average Libyan citizen? Muslims in general?
April 20, 2011 at 6:13 am
I am sick and tired of bailing any and all countries in time of need. I am not asking that they kiss the ground that we walk on, but I would certainly appreciate it if there were some sense of gratefulness. (This is probably very unrealistic of me to think this way.) The ME harbors a lot of hate and ill will toward the US. Why? When there is a natural disaster, who comes to the rescue first? The US is not the root of all evil, and that is how many in the world perceive us. Something that I learned a long time ago is that you cannot keep taking without expectation of repayment in one form or another.
April 20, 2011 at 4:01 pm
”I am sick and tired of bailing any and all countries in time of need.”
As noted previously: the US budget for foreign aid is less than 1% of our budget. US citizens are not inconvenienced by this. In fact, as compared with other developed nations, the amounts given out by the US government and private individuals alike as a function of those countries gdp is far from the highest. http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2676
”I am not asking that they kiss the ground that we walk on, but I would certainly appreciate it if there were some sense of gratefulness. (This is probably very unrealistic of me to think this way.) “
There is no way of measuring the gratefulness of those helped by foreign aid. One must rely on the msm to hear about it, and that is obviously useless. Jmo, one may simply assume that on average people aided are as grateful as would oneself be grateful for aid in time of need: some may be grateful and others less. The reason one gives is not for gratitude but because compassion is appropriate towards those disadvantaged by no fault of their own. Many species other than humans exhibit the trait of compassion. Probably it has a net effect that is also positive for the giver. It is simply not worth worrying about.
”The ME harbors a lot of hate and ill will toward the US. Why?”
Are you serious? Because we kill them.
”When there is a natural disaster, who comes to the rescue first?”
Actually, it depends mostly on what country with good relations is closest. The idea that we are always first on the scene is another media crafted myth. For example, in the case of the Haitian earthquake, Cuba, Veenzuela, and the Dominican Republic were all there before the US.
As for generosity, the US government’s initial offer of aid to Indonesia was a crappy 15 million for a disaster that obviously would cost many billions to correct. Only when criticized as appallingly stingy did we up the amount first to 35 million and finally 350 million. Here are the gdps of nations in 2004: http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/eco_gdp-economy-gdp&date=2004; here are the donor nations: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanitarian_response_to_the_2004_Indian_Ocean_earthquake
Australia one sees has a gdp 178 times smaller than ours, yet they donated about 3 times as much. Germany has a gdp 4.25 times smaller than ours, yet they donated almost twice as much. China which has an economy 6 times smaller than us, donated about 23 percent as much (well over 1/6 of what we donated). Also, much of what is pledged is never delivered. This is true of US promises as well as other nation’s promises. So while one may hear that x dollars have been pledged, one may never learn that they were not in fact all delivered. It’s a lot like a group party where everyone knows the tips will be pooled. This enables the media to continue their false portrayal of this nation (and others).
”The US is not the root of all evil, and that is how many in the world perceive us.”
The image of the US depends on the quality of the relationship between it and other nations. Some countries view us favorably, but many do not. Our behavior has a lot to do with it. Waging wars against other nations in order to steal their resources and instituting trade agreements that benefit only our and that nation’s wealthy elite while impoverishing workers is not a way of improving our image. Our part in wrecking the global economy through our banksterists doesn’t help either.
”Something that I learned a long time ago is that you cannot keep taking without expectation of repayment in one form or another.”
I agree: where we disagree is that I recognize that my nation takes a very great deal.
It starts wars for oil and power. http://www.progressive.org/mag_wx101206, http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/secret-memos-expose-link-between-oil-firms-and-invasion-of-iraq-2269610.html
In violation of their sovereignty, it disallows the American indigenous from doing business with other nations, so that all resource development must take place through the US government. They receive only pennies on the dollar for their resources. Approximately 70 percent of the resources in the United States lie on reservation land. If indigenous nations were allowed to trade fairly, how much do you think they would earn instead?
It allows its wealthiest citizens’ companies to develop the American indigenous’ resources and other nations’ resources in a manner that mysteriously enriches our and their elite but impoverishes their and our people. These same elite are allowed to pollute other nations at will and stall any demand for cleanup with endless legal delays. http://rt.com/usa/news/chevron-refuses-pay-billions-amazon-pollution/ , http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=abandoned-uranium-mines-a
It even allows its companies to try to privatize other nations’ own water: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Cochabamba_protests …
But I don’t think we’ll pay somehow, not when our army is 40 times the size of its nearest competitor.
April 20, 2011 at 6:17 pm
Not everything is about money. I think our blood, sweat and tears are far more valuable than the money. It is my opinion that if we are going in to help any country under any circumstances, there should be something given in return. Is building schools and offering education a worthless endeavor? I take issue with “for killing them?” My family has served in the armed services building schools, vaccinating children against third world disease, as well as offering knowledge to build infrastructure. They have volunteered without monetary repayment to care for the sick, elderly and inconsolable when no one else was there. When fanatics cry foul over what they perceive to be unjust and inhuman behavior, why aren’t they there changing the world? The image that you speak of is a perception that I find deplorable. There are countless people who offer of themselves without asking for much except some modicum of thanks.
I think that what angers me most is that many who find their homelands deplorable come here because they find it a grand task to change what they find so egregious about their homeland. As the saying goes, fix it yourself or someone else will. I learned that someone would certainly fix things to their benefit if I didn’t make the correction. This imo is human nature. I have a very small violin for anyone who comes to this country to reap an education (which has been provided on condition that they return to their country of origin), only to never return because life is just so difficult back home. Yes, fixing a country is a lot of work. It takes a lot of people on the same page to do it. It’s an ugly double edged sword. If you want the “free” stuff, it always comes with a price. This nation gives a great deal to the world. We are expected to.
Nom, no one can do anything willy nilly without a government being in the know. Someone is always available to make out like a bandit. We don’t need to look any further than Soros and how he screws with economies. That is why I say that they are more than happy to sacrifice their own people. As far as water is concerned, someone sold out their nation. I, like you am one. I know that I can go to bed with a clear conscience every night. I know that I try everyday to make a difference. I can only speak for me. I do not condemn my country for we have flaws, but we also have heart.
April 20, 2011 at 8:58 pm
”Not everything is about money. I think our blood, sweat and tears are far more valuable than the money.”
I didn’t say everything was about money, in fact I said the opposite: I said the amount our nation’s government spends on foreign aid is pretty paltry.
”It is my opinion that if we are going in to help any country under any circumstances, there should be something given in return.”
Imo giving with strings attached is rarely giving: it is more like manipulating: I’ll give you this thing you need that I can afford but you can’t, but then you have to do what I say. I think that is wrong. If aid recipients cannot be trusted to do the right thing (by which I mean, use the aid to the benefit of the nation rather than its elite), then aid should not be given.
”Is building schools and offering education a worthless endeavor?”
Did I say it was? No. I said dropping bombs on people in order to steal their resources is wrong. It’s my opinion that there’s damn little school building in comparison with bomb-dropping, in fact it’s my opinion that there’s just enough school building to act as cover for the bomb-dropping. I’d go for a whole lot more school building.
”I take issue with “for killing them?””
I didn’t pose a question. I made a statement. I said, “Because we kill them.” We do and have: hundreds of thousands of human people. This is not insignificant to me. If you want to believe that our nation’s military can kill literally hundreds of thousands of people in Iraq alone, and it shouldn’t matter to anyone, you can do so. That’s not a belief I share, however.
”My family has served in the armed services building schools, vaccinating children against third world disease, as well as offering knowledge to build infrastructure.”
This is a fallacy of composition. There is no evidence that your family is representative of the entire army. In fact, it does not take me 2 seconds to prove that it is not. All I have to do is say “Haditha”. http://www.wsws.org/articles/2006/jun2006/iraq-j03.shtml
”They have volunteered without monetary repayment to care for the sick, elderly and inconsolable when no one else was there.”
Their volunteerism is to their credit. I have not said otherwise.
”When fanatics cry foul over what they perceive to be unjust and inhuman behavior, why aren’t they there changing the world?”
Criticizing the bombings of civilians by my nation’s military does not make me a fanatic; it makes me someone opposed to bombing civilians. Nor do I accept the charge that I am not endeavoring to change the world, though it’s true I can do little enough as one person.
”The image that you speak of is a perception that I find deplorable.”
If you go to a party and no one likes your potato salad it’s a fair bet that it doesn’t taste very good.
”There are countless people who offer of themselves without asking for much except some modicum of thanks.”
I haven’t said otherwise. I have only said, I don’t think one can know whether others are grateful or not when one is at a remove from them, and that I don’t believe a desire for gratitude is an appropriate motivator for good acts.
”I think that what angers me most is that many who find their homelands deplorable come here because they find it a grand task to change what they find so egregious about their homeland.”
I don’t disagree. I do think people should attempt to fix their own countries. Though I will add, I don’t have a problem with refugees staying here. I don’t think, for example, a woman ought to have to stay in a nation that practices female genital mutilation.
”As the saying goes, fix it yourself or someone else will.
I learned that someone would certainly fix things to their benefit if I didn’t make the correction.
This imo is human nature.”
This is what I mean when I say the oligarchs need to go.
”I have a very small violin for anyone who comes to this country to reap an education (which has been provided on condition that they return to their country of origin), only to never return because life is just so difficult back home.
Yes, fixing a country is a lot of work. It takes a lot of people on the same page to do it. It’s an ugly double edged sword.
If you want the “free” stuff, it always comes with a price.”
I agree.
”This nation gives a great deal to the world.
We are expected to.”
The amount that we give is overstated and the amounts given by others are understated. See links last post this thread.
”Nom, no one can do anything willy nilly without a government being in the know. Someone is always available to make out like a bandit.
We don’t need to look any further than Soros and how he screws with economies.
That is why I say that they are more than happy to sacrifice their own people.”
Soros is a naturalized American citizen. He is part of what I am talking about when I say our “government”, mcnorman. He is OUR monster; or half our monster, if you like, since he has dual citizenship with his native Hungary..
”As far as water is concerned, someone sold out their nation.”
That US companies would be complicit in such a thing is a disgrace to our nation.
”I, like you am one.
I know that I can go to bed with a clear conscience every night.
I know that I try everyday to make a difference.
I can only speak for me.”
I also speak only for myself.
”I do not condemn my country for we have flaws, but we also have heart.”
I condemn wrong acts committed by anyone or any nation. The extent to which I would hold an entire nation culpable is the extent that its individuals are guilty of wrong acts.
April 21, 2011 at 6:18 am
Your beliefs about our military are far different from what mine are. You call it manipulation, I call it giving. When I know that someone travels at their own expense to give children surgeries that they would never have otherwise, it is not manipulation. This country is made up of many people. Some do no harm and other do. I don’t condemn the entire country for those that do harm. I understand that two journalists were caught in the crossfire in Libya and died. Interesting that Gaddafi’s admin already pressed a statement that they didn’t have anything to do with that. Do I believe that? No. The journalists are there to write about what they are seeing. Someone wants to know. They gave of themselves to do this. Am I supposed to condemn the entire nation for the choice that they made by placing themselves in harm’s way? No. I think that they (just like many in Iran) are brave to stand in the midst of Hell. Of this I am sure, one side is surely going to blame the other for their deaths. Is that manipulation? Yes, but again I ask who is accountable in the end? I say the journalists. They took the risk.
Building schools is not a cover. It was never a cover in South America. Educating the downtrodden so that they could take care of themselves was also not a cover. If the crap that rises out of the muck in these sorry ass third world countries were anything but, they would continue to improve themselves. They wouldn’t want to leave their homelands either. You cannot blame everything that goes wrong in this world on the paybacks of what a regime has made.
When it comes to water, a company cannot take anything away. I noticed that wikipedia inserted the portion about how unprepared the country was prior to signature. That is their responsibility. (There should be a conscientious effort made to not hurt anyone however, translation on one side may mean progress for a better future.) Being prepared is just that. It takes two to tango. A company is not a human. Who signed where? It’s easy to place blame on the corporation. Find the two that signed on the dotted line. I am not making a joke out of this. I can tell you that this is something that impacts me personally, but I didn’t sign anything. Those acts were signed long before I was born. I would never assign culpability to myself for the act that was done before I came into being. I have a voice now and I do use it. Perhaps, those that are so egregiously hurt by these companies should stand up and do something about it? It didn’t happen overnight, so I suspect that it will take a lot of voice and time to change things. The question is who wants to do it?
Soros is not my monster. He was created long ago. I don’t accept that this monster is anything to me but a malignancy that plunders nations into Hell by his actions. A company cannot by itself do anything, someone must use a pen. The egregious acts that you speak of are but one minutia of what the US has done in this world. Disgraceful acts, some yes however, we are not a perfect nation. You may claim whatever you believe to be on your shoulders. That is your right. Thank you for only speaking for yourself. We disagree on quite a bit, but I do know that you want better for the world as I do. I have never believed otherwise Nom.
April 21, 2011 at 7:35 am
well I’d have ended a long time ago except that you persist in misstating my beliefs.
I begin to wonder if it is not intentional as opposed to misunderstanding, as I do not think I have been at all unclear.
I’ll get back to you on this one, have to go to work.
April 21, 2011 at 7:41 am
I don’t misstate your beliefs Nom. This is what I hear from what you write. Granted it is not a full blown conversation where you can hear and disseminate every detail, but I am responding to what I read. Whether you believe you are unclear or not, it is what I am interpreting.
April 23, 2011 at 1:31 pm
”Your beliefs about our military are far different from what mine are….it is not manipulation.”
I also know people who volunteer to perform medical care for the poor entirely at their own expense. And you know what? They don’t drop bombs on people either.
“This country is made up of many people. Some do no harm and other do.
I don’t condemn the entire country for those that do harm.”
That’s true: you don’t condemn the entire US for its bad people, yet you don’t apply the same standard of fairness towards other nations. You do not accept that people in other countries have just as much a right to their own lives and self determination as do we: this is seen in your support for our nation’s wars that have killed hundreds of thousands, maybe a million people, the overwhelming majority of them innocent civilians.
”I understand that two journalists were caught in the crossfire in Libya and died. Interesting that Gaddafi’s admin already pressed a statement that they didn’t have anything to do with that. Do I believe that? No. The journalists are there to write about what they are seeing. Someone wants to know. They gave of themselves to do this.
Am I supposed to condemn the entire nation for the choice that they made by placing themselves in harm’s way? No. I think that they (just like many in Iran) are brave to stand in the midst of Hell. Of this I am sure, one side is surely going to blame the other for their deaths. Is that manipulation? Yes, but again I ask who is accountable in the end?
I say the journalists. They took the risk.”
One of the photographers went to my university. Here is the local coverage of his death. http://news.ncsu.edu/features/hondros/ and some of his work: http://www.newsobserver.com/2011/04/20/1143888/chris-hondros-killed-in-libya.html Hondros was a real human being who believed strongly in documenting the horrors of war.
”“Journalism is hopefully a humanitarian endeavor,” Hondros said, “helping people in one way or another through raising awareness.”” There’s also this, written by Hondros’ best friend.
Rather hilariously, Qaddafi’s spokescreature shares your views on the triviality of noncombatant deaths: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13166869 ”The Libyan government has expressed “sadness” over the photographers’ deaths but spokesman Moussa Ibrahim said there were always casualties in war, adding: “People die from our side, from their side, people get caught in the middle.””
”Building schools is not a cover. It was never a cover in South America.
Educating the downtrodden so that they could take care of themselves was also not a cover.
If the crap that rises out of the muck in these sorry ass third world countries were anything but, they would continue to improve themselves. They wouldn’t want to leave their homelands either.
You cannot blame everything that goes wrong in this world on the paybacks of what a regime has made.
When it comes to water, a company cannot take anything away.
I noticed that wikipedia inserted the portion about how unprepared the country was prior to signature.
That is their responsibility. (There should be a conscientious effort made to not hurt anyone however, translation on one side may mean progress for a better future.)
Being prepared is just that. It takes two to tango. A company is not a human. Who signed where? It’s easy to place blame on the corporation. Find the two that signed on the dotted line. I am not making a joke out of this.
I can tell you that this is something that impacts me personally, but I didn’t sign anything. Those acts were signed long before I was born. I would never assign culpability to myself for the act that was done before I came into being.
I have a voice now and I do use it. Perhaps, those that are so egregiously hurt by these companies should stand up and do something about it?”
It didn’t happen overnight, so I suspect that it will take a lot of voice and time to change things. The question is who wants to do it?”
You omit any word of the many years of US Marine occupations of so many of these and our long string of puppet governments that helped to lead to the present day poverty and corruption. You omit mention of the cold war between the Soviets and the US being fought in their nations. You omit the corruption from our businesses that operate there.
It’s easy to blame some little pawn for their inability to knock off the King and Queen. For many years I said similar words until one day I thought to ask myself; “What exactly could they do?” Now I ask myself looking at the ruin of my own country, “What exactly can I do?” Voting does not work: they own Diebold. Protests don’t work; one stands in a chicken coop miles from the action. Frankly the only thing that might work would be killing them, but they own the world’s mightiest army. I think we are plain fucking screwed dead. Worst, the bastards will take the whole planet down with them.
”Soros is not my monster. He was created long ago. I don’t accept that this monster is anything to me but a malignancy that plunders nations into Hell by his actions. A company cannot by itself do anything, someone must use a pen. The egregious acts that you speak of are but one minutia of what the US has done in this world. Disgraceful acts, some yes however, we are not a perfect nation. You may claim whatever you believe to be on your shoulders. That is your right. Thank you for only speaking for yourself. We disagree on quite a bit, but I do know that you want better for the world as I do. I have never believed otherwise Nom.”
He’s an American, by your own rules of accepting legal immigrants. If you aren’t to blame for him, how can you then hold foreigners responsible for their tyrants? And how can you then justify that pos Trump who does business with Soros and then complains about BHO? Here again, you try to have it both ways.
April 23, 2011 at 4:39 pm
This is a discussion. I’m not going to change anyone’s mind about anything that they believe.
Fairness? Since when has life ever been fair? The world is in chaos. Like you said, we can only do what we can do. This country is not perfect, but please don’t tell me that you think that a puppet government can control every turn at every event without the help of their own people who want the status quo. For every tyrant and despot, there is another waiting in the wings.
I fair better as a US citizen than I would in other countries. For that I am and always will be grateful. If the planet blows, there is not much that can be done. I have no problem with Trump. He is a businessman. Business is business. If you want to speak about corruption and business, there is ALWAYS someone who signed on the dotted line. Are we supposed to ignore that? I have never bought into these “poor” countries are being taken advantage of by the big bad US companies. Choices are made. I have always believed that those choices are made of free will. Actually, we all have free will to do as we desire. With that free will comes the consequences.
Soros has no allegiance to this country, only to his pocketbook. He is no American, not by my definition. He is a plague on the earth. I don’t consider Trump a plague on this Earth. He has yet to prove that he is a malignancy such as Soros or BHO.
Whatever and whomever shows up on the ballot, I will be voting for anyone but the golfer in chief.
April 23, 2011 at 6:30 pm
that is perhaps the only area where we are greatly in accord. I will never vote for BHO.
as for the rest, I do not equate the people of these countries with their rulers even as I hope there are some who do not equate me with my rulers.
business is never just business: not when the business is so powerful that it encompasses governments. it’s true fairness is never a given, but it’s also true that it makes a better world. I hope these oligarchs fry before they take out the entire planet with their greed.
April 19, 2011 at 11:10 am
ANd while we (and the MSM) remain fixedly on the BC, all the rest of his egregious bullshit can continue to be ignored…
April 19, 2011 at 11:10 am
fixed, not fixedly
April 19, 2011 at 11:12 am
SHIT!
Fixedly distracted…. I can’t believe I can’t concentrate enough to write a simple comment.
Too busy working three times harder for half the goddam money.
Just get his ass out – PRONTO!
April 19, 2011 at 11:42 am
And I think – as I have all along – the this is the strategy. Keep us all distracted on the BC and we’ll ignore everything that is important.
April 19, 2011 at 12:06 pm
So either we’re both crazy, or we’re smarter than they surmise….
April 19, 2011 at 2:50 pm
Well, I’m not crazy – I know, I’m in the business. So that leaves us smarter than they think.
April 19, 2011 at 12:45 pm
Like who is in charge of the hen house?
http://www.nrtwc.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/BHO-Admin-Alert-John-Lund.pdf
April 19, 2011 at 12:59 pm
Hillary is 44 has a good post on Trump. http://www.hillaryis44.org/2011/04/18/donald-trump-and-the-power-of-courage-and-truth/
April 19, 2011 at 8:30 pm
Well don’t feel bad, during the BC crap the only major news stories are 2 of the US state governors asserting their authority to declare martial law, and the House repubs voting to abolish Medicare. It’s not like anything really important has been happening
April 19, 2011 at 1:36 pm
George Stephanopoulos is a Democrat opertive poing s a journalist. Worse: he’s been bought and paid for by the NWO, the people using obama as a front to take over the world. Interviewed by Stepanopolis on TV during the campaign, obams said that McCain was very nice about his (obama’s) Muslm faith. Instead of saying, “Oh, then you are a Mualim,” the traitor Stephanopolis said, “You men Christian.” oilsoc, who was clearly loaded, simpered, Oh, yes. Christian.”
April 19, 2011 at 2:17 pm
Moments like that are touching, aren’t they Mary? snicker
April 20, 2011 at 9:00 am
Go Trump!
Ambercrombie’s jabbering…
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/14479029/trump-abercrombie-spar-over-birther-issue
April 20, 2011 at 9:05 am
Corsi’s book ” Where’s the Birth Certficate ” headlines Drudge….
Right next to :
Missing Records in Hawaii…Missing Records in Kenya….Missing Records in Indonesia…
That is attention grabbing…http://www.drudgereport.com/
April 20, 2011 at 9:34 am
check this out…
Who can get an amended COLB in Hawaii….
# A person born in a foreign country who has been legally adopted in the State of Hawaii.
http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/vital-records/newbirthcert.html
http://newsflavor.com/opinions/the-ulsterman-report-obamas-birther-dilemma/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medi
Keep Up the Pressure Trump!