NYPD raiders roust OWS rabble. I sure feel for the neighborhood. I would have hated two months of non stop noise.
November 15, 2011
November 15, 2011
NYPD raiders roust OWS rabble. I sure feel for the neighborhood. I would have hated two months of non stop noise.
November 15, 2011 at 5:37 pm
I would have hated the noise too. But that’s why there are noise ordinances. If the protesters violate those, give them a ticket, same as any other rude person. I still think the protesters are wasting their time and the media coverage is being used to distract from many important topics. Nevertheless, I hate having a “government” that disallows citizens’ Constitutional rights of freedom of assembly and freedom of speech more. If I do not precisely support the protesters, I sure as f#c& don’t support the goons squads assaulting them.
Permanently maiming an unarmed protester who is already cooperating, shooting rubber bullets point blank at the heads of unarmed veterans protesting, and pointing guns at unarmed college students, some of whom were not even protesters but were walking down a campus street, is the behavior of
a police statenazis.November 15, 2011 at 5:58 pm
They didn’t respond to anything because they had different leaders on different days. It turned into a homeless camp. You are so correct, the msm is being diverted once again from those things that are pressing. I didn’t see anything on live feed that would have been horrible behavior on the part of the NYPD. I think they showed great restraint.
November 15, 2011 at 6:27 pm
There are 41,000 homeless people in NYC alone. That seems a far more worthy subject of his
heh, in his fucking dreamslordship Bloomberg’s attention.Try this: http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011/11/video-of-police-assaulting-ows-protestor-and-punching-woman-in-the-face.html
November 16, 2011 at 6:49 am
No visual of any blow Nom. I know a lot of fabulous actors. I won’t say that she was or was not struck either as there is no visual evidence. JK. I saw some egging on by the guy with the flag. He was told to get off the fence. As for the woman, she should not have been standing next to the problem. I see a trainwreck coming, I move. I don’t stand next to where it will fallout.
They were told to leave. There is a HUGE difference in listening to a kid or animals in a park. It doesn’t go on continuously for two months. These people did not care who they bothered. The drumming was constant. The filth was disgusting. Why not report all the assaults? Frankly, if they wanted to keep all of the rapes, and other crimes to themselves why is the forceful eviction a problem? I find OWS to be complete rubbish Nom. I really have a problem when the ties lead to OFA, Soros, Canada’s left Adbuster, and other horrible people using people in the same manner that Barack used the bots.
These people are receiving directives from Adbusters? http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/adbusters-occupy-wall-street-innovator-movement-wind-start-spring-article-1.977956
We won’t agree on the Zuccotti clean up. I live next to a public park where people seem to believe that their partying is far more important than the people that they disturb night after night. They leave their messes behind which I get to clean up when the wind blows the trash into my yard. This went on for too long. Behavior of these protesters was awful. Defecating in public on a sidewalk? Just gross.
November 16, 2011 at 8:14 am
You obviously have not read what I wrote: if anyone is littering, making noise past what the law allows, assaulting anyone: I’m all for treating them as the law allows including arresting them with the minimum force required. That is not what we are seeing here.
And the protesters are not affiliated with Soros. Wall Street is affiliated with Soros. Because someone shows up and claims they speak for the protesters does not make it so: the protesters have no means to stop anyone else from coming and saying whatever they please. The protesters have stuck by their original intent: to protest without making any demands. I personally find this pointless, but that is what they are doing.
At the point that the protesters were assaulted they were legally in the right as a judge had put a stay on the eviction.
If one is really for law and order, then one must actually follow the law: in this instance the protesters did and the police did not.
Wrong place my ass. It’s a free fucking country, to stand where one pleases: at least it used to be. That cop punched that young lady in the face, that is not acting. It is disgraceful to even suggest it.
And if Homeland Security is now behind the strategy with which to deal with unarmed protesters and we have cops intentionally brutalizing unarmed American citizens, including punching clueless young ladies in the face, one might well ask oneself: How then will they deal with people who are truly rebelling?
November 16, 2011 at 10:30 am
I disagree. The woman was in the midst of where the altercation took place. I did not see anyone hit her. I’m sure she was hit because she was stunned. JK means “just kidding.”
Bloomberg did not participate in that mass call with the other cities. He opted out of the conference call.
November 16, 2011 at 10:38 am
I don’t think so. The guy who was egging on the police should not have been on the fence. Not only was he obnoxious, but his behavior was wreckless. His actions got the others stirred up imo. The woman was in your face screaming. He is typical of what I deem as bad behavior when someone is asking him not to do something. The possibility of her getting smacked by the guy’s foot kicking as he was being taken off the fence could have happened. He may have kicked the fence onto her nose. Someone may have grabbed his foot and in the process grabbed her. She was standing too close. It matters not that she was unarmed. You cannot tell from the footage how she was hurt. What you can tell is that she was in the way. Heck, it happens in the parking lot here. Someone will not pay attention to the car backing out and bam they get smacked (the car) because the person is too close.
I see someone flinging or flayling, I’m out of there. Accidents cost me too much down time. I sure as heck wouldn’t be standing anywhere near this guy when he throws his molotov cocktail.
November 16, 2011 at 6:31 pm
He doesn’t have a molotov cocktail: he has a freaking American flag. He’s standing in a park with a 24 hour public easement: he has every right to be there. Under the law he has the right to free speech as well. That fucking pos Bloomberg sold the citizen’s public park to private owners (without any consultation or compensation), but it maintains a permanent public easement under the deal Herr Bloomberg signed off on so he could get
the kickbacks from permittingextra skyscrapers built. The little girl was trying to get the cop’s attention to look at her little downloaded piece of paper showing she had a legal right to be there. If the cops don’t want to protect and serve then they should go get a fucking job somewhere else.November 16, 2011 at 6:34 pm
I am talking about the jackass in the video who wants to throw molotovs at Macys.
November 16, 2011 at 6:36 pm
If I see a situation brewing and about to get under control, I back off. Perhaps this kid’s basic instinct did not kick in. Either way, you nor I know whether a boot flew in her face from that video.
November 16, 2011 at 6:37 pm
Shhh, I don’t think you or I are supposed to know about Bloomie’s business ways.
November 16, 2011 at 6:43 pm
The guy with the flag keeps getting up on top of the barrier. He’s egging them on. Look, if he had split open his snarklies because he insisted on standing on the barrier, who is at fault? I compare him to the children that come to the office and insist on standing on the furniture to show me their boo boo. The parents think it’s just fabulous. I have to carry extra insurance just in case the brilliant child takes a dive into the coffee table. Same thing except that this man with the flag is an adult who was insistent it was going to be his way. Standing on a barrier is never a good idea when tempers are going to flare. The cops asked him several times not to get up there. His choice.
November 16, 2011 at 7:20 pm
So he’s a jerk; if he falls down and gets hurt he’s only himself to blame: I’m agreed with you there. Unless of course he is pushed by some out of control cop who didn’t have the legal right to remove him and was therefore himself breaking the law since a judge had stayed the eviction order.
The barrier itself is absurd. Free speech zones. Good fucking gravy, this country has gone to the dogs.
November 16, 2011 at 7:23 pm
As for the dipshit yammering about Macy’s, it becomes a crime when he actually tries it: I’m not holding my breath.
November 16, 2011 at 7:24 pm
I don’t have to like these people to think they should be afforded their rights. That’s the only way I get to keep my own.
November 16, 2011 at 7:28 pm
I don’t have a problem with them speaking their mind, but I do when it becomes a problem for those that are working to pay the bills. I would not want someone defecating across the street from me. I can’t stand the fact the people don’t like to pick up their dog’s own poo.
November 16, 2011 at 7:31 pm
It’s all in the delivery. http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/11/occupy-san-francisco-protesters-take-over-lobby-of-bank-of-america.html
No threats, just requests.
November 16, 2011 at 7:33 pm
Just cuz we need to laugh.
November 16, 2011 at 7:42 pm
BTW Nom, this guy wins the jackhole award imho.
http://www.newsherald.com/news/cross-98405-driveway-panama.html
November 16, 2011 at 7:33 pm
Again, I have said I think anyone committing a crime needs to be dealt with accordingly.
btw,
on a completely related topicthe Fed Res now owns more of “our”banksteristdebt than China. http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/fed-now-largest-owner-us-gov-t-debt-surpassing-chinaNovember 16, 2011 at 8:25 pm
Yes, I heard it on the radio. There are no words to describe my anger over the debt. The solution seems pretty easy to me…stop spending money, right?
November 16, 2011 at 8:28 pm
This worries me more.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/11/16/massive-bunker-busting-bomb-goes-operational/?test=latestnews
November 16, 2011 at 8:04 pm
You should swap out Chavez for Bloomberg. BHO spends $20 million a year of our tax dollars financing anti-Chavez propaganda via USAId & NED. Chavez and BHO are diametrically opposed. One [that would be Chavez] is a socialist who has halved his nation’s poverty rate and kicked out the IMF, World Bank and BIS; the other [that would be BHO] is a warmongering tool of transnational fascists who has enslaved his nation’s citizens to banksterist debt for decades to come.
http://www.freakingnews.com/pictures/53500/Obama-Eating-a-Cat–53852.jpg
November 16, 2011 at 8:07 pm
You would have to tell Benetton. They have different ones.http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/arts-post/post/obama-kisses-chavez-in-new-benetton-ad/2011/11/16/gIQAB91oRN_blog.html?wprss=arts-post
November 16, 2011 at 8:07 pm
Someone needs to keep an eye on that cross-burning nut. Similarly: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5gD23Vqps7IzpxAEBNzYmUTB2c2Nw?docId=N0698181321495515579A
November 16, 2011 at 8:10 pm
I’d probably shop at Walmart before Benetton.
November 16, 2011 at 9:07 pm
I saw that with the giant bombs, they cost $314 million, not sure if that is for the first 8 or all 20.
November 16, 2011 at 9:13 pm
“…stop spending money”
Most of the debt did not come from spending money, it came from credit swap defaults, derivatives and the like being transferred on balance sheets and also sold fraudulently under false ratings so that uninsurable deals will be insured, at our expense. They are purely banking artifacts and have nothing to do with actual trad in real products. Even with our insanely overfinanced military & its magic-ever-increasing-budget, that’s under 1 trillion per year with a gdp 15 times that.
November 16, 2011 at 9:22 pm
this worries me almost as much as the bombs: http://www.grist.org/factory-farms/2011-10-31-will-a-secret-farm-bill-be-passed-this-week
November 16, 2011 at 9:25 pm
That is creepy.
November 16, 2011 at 9:26 pm
Answer on China.
http://www.livescience.com/17052-mysterious-symbols-china-desert-spy-satellite-targets-expert.html
November 16, 2011 at 10:33 pm
cool re China, I saw that as one theory but not that anyone scientific had confirmed it
November 18, 2011 at 11:24 am
haha, the pope is suing Benettons.
November 18, 2011 at 11:38 am
Yes Nom, that is a goody.
November 15, 2011 at 6:37 pm
http://thinkprogress.org/special/2011/11/13/367294/wielding-assault-rifles-police-arrest-chapel-hill-occupiers-of-building-left-derelict-by-developer/
The picture I posted that disappeared can be found here, sorry for site, but that is the only place I can find it now: apparently it is being pulled from the web.
I have walked down the street shown, it is the main drag through the UNC campus. Imagine your daughter was just walking down the street on her way to class or to do some shopping or getting a bite to eat.
November 15, 2011 at 6:45 pm
mcnorman, you cannot tell it from this video but there is a McDonald’s not 30 yards away with outdoor seating. If one of those cops had fired and missed they could easily have killed someone.
November 16, 2011 at 7:29 am
I understand what you are saying Nom. I would say that would be a really stupid choice to fire. I don’t think that either side cares much about collateral damage.
November 18, 2011 at 3:27 pm
“I don’t think that either side cares much about collateral damage.”
But only one side is armed: there is only one side that can create collateral damage.
November 18, 2011 at 3:50 pm
Not true Nom, there have been protesters who have been armed.
November 18, 2011 at 10:23 pm
There probably are people carrying knives and mace, which is in most places perfectly legal I might add, though probably not at Zuccotti Park; but they are not outfitted like fucking SWAT in body armor & shields and carrying assault rifles which they have a bad habit of pointing at people while walking in lockstep. Let’s be serious: there’s absolutely no comparison; the protesters do not have guns.
Btw here is one of the OWS protesters: a US army ranger. Here he is getting his spleen lacerated by crazed cops. They also denied him medical attention for 18 hours. At no point does he use any reciprocal force against the cops and he was complying with the cops’ demand to leave, albeit not especially quickly. I have a hard time understanding how anyone would condone the excessive use of force here.
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/11/video-oakland-police-strike-army-ranger-with-nightsticks-on-his-back-ribs-shoulders-and-hands-lacerating-his-spleen-and-causing-internal-bleeding.html
November 19, 2011 at 8:21 pm
If they had denied him taken in for ER with a lacerated spleen, he would have been dead far sooner than 18 hours Nom. I’m sure that he was hurt, but that post is just a bit dramatic.
November 20, 2011 at 7:15 pm
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/party_over_but_more_occupy_arrests_2Ouk2G4BfhM3YnQo5lLuMM
November 19, 2011 at 7:23 pm
Or this: http://i.imgur.com/J3AE5.jpg
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/11/police-force-peaceful-uc-davis-students-to-open-their-mouths-and-then-pepper-spray-down-their-throats.html
Eventually I will find your gag limit, mcnorman. I am nothing if not persistent.
November 19, 2011 at 8:28 pm
You are so funny Nom. Today was a very bad day. One of my cats was attacked by a pack of dogs. She made it. She was the cat that was given new life by the mini schnauzer that just passed. The kitten’s mother was caught in a car engine. Horrible. We hand fed her and my dear sweet Beauty got her through the rest of it. She trusts dogs imperatively. That was the problem. “(
November 19, 2011 at 10:09 pm
Somebody assaulted one of my cats a couple of days ago, they apparently got her to play with a stick and then shoved it into her mouth where it got stuck in the flesh under her tongue. She’s one of my only cats that likes people. The vet had to remove it because I could not, it was wedged so deep.
I really hate people.
November 19, 2011 at 10:14 pm
Apparently, as a ranger he is made of tougher stuff than average because he underwent surgery to repair his spleen; it’s at the link.
November 20, 2011 at 9:42 am
Well, let’s see if this will do it: this is from a few years back, it is referenced in an article today over at Salon (whose accurate point is that the present police state has been a long time coming): Police swab with a q tip liquified pepper spray directly into eyes of unarmed protesters protesting logging of an old growth forest in their community.
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2011/11/yes-of-course-pepper-spray-is-torture.html
November 20, 2011 at 3:55 pm
Well what about this: does this look like a police state yet?
http://www.prisonplanet.com/tampa-police-roll-out-a-tank-to-deal-with-a-few-dozen-protesters.html
November 20, 2011 at 6:07 pm
It’s an armored rescue vehicle. It’s not a tank.
November 21, 2011 at 7:53 am
I know its an APC
I’m not blind, but i don’t get to write the headlines in someone else’s article. What the fuck do they need an armored vehicle for???????????????!!!!!!!!!
November 21, 2011 at 10:10 am
They have to justify blowing the money.
November 21, 2011 at 10:45 am
As the commenters noted it could be a giant pig cooker which maybe somebody ought to think about before spending anymore of our money on this shit.
November 15, 2011 at 7:32 pm
Citizens ought to file a class-action lawsuit against OWS (Obama’s Wittle Sh…Sh…Sh…SHEEPLE!) for denial of their right to enjoy and use the public park and for being a public nunance as well as a public health threat!
November 16, 2011 at 7:31 am
Buttered the park is a privately owned park. There are guidelines and rules that private parks should follow. They were given a lot of leeway on the use of the park. Bloomie isn’t stupid, the playtime is over when he feels his numbers are falling.
November 17, 2011 at 11:08 am
Wow!
Privately owned parks. Who knew!
So who’s the loony land owner crazy enough to let them destroy it?
November 17, 2011 at 11:51 am
Well, Bloomie’s gf is on the board for the owners. Let’s just say that there was influence.
November 16, 2011 at 6:04 am
Yes, because Homeland Security assaulting protesters exercising their rights of free speech and assembly is so wonderful. None of those protesters is stopping anyone from using the park. I personally do not like teams of women pushing strollers with howling brats in them through my parks: that doesn’t mean they don’t have a right to be there. Those people are not BHO supporters: they are people protesting his/ this “government’s” policies, and they include many veterans, other seniors, and conservatives, as well as young liberals.
But not to worry, when it gets to Homeland Security assaulting whatever groups you’re in, there probably won’t be anyone left standing.
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/11/homeland-security-coordinated-18-city-police-crackdown-on-occupy-protest.html
November 16, 2011 at 7:11 am
You know how I feel about DHS. They pick whatever they wish to pick. In our town, the OWS was given a month to occupy the main park. It turned into a different type of camp. Some drugs, lots of bitching by transients (sits next to the rail station). We have pretty good weather, yet very few of the people who began with the movement actually stuck around although they are requesting another public park now. I don’t think it will happen.
November 16, 2011 at 6:33 pm
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/11/philadelphia-police-captain-ray-lewis-joins-occupy-wall-street-calls-nypd-conduct-disgusting-totally-uncalled-for.html
November 16, 2011 at 6:34 pm
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/11/16/key-medical-equipment-laptops-among-items-destroyed-in-occupy-wall-st-police-raid/
November 17, 2011 at 6:24 pm
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20111108123228205
“Seniors block busy Chicago street to protest cuts to social programs”
What about these occupiers: is it okay to mace them, run them down with scooters, punch them in the face, shoot them point blank in the head with rubber bullets, etc too?
Just sayin.
November 18, 2011 at 10:31 am
The protests are aimed in the wrong direction. Why are they not camped out at the White House? These cuts are federal programs.
If they strike someone and are as obnoxious as the fence guy, then the police take action. To be honest, I think that the police have shown quite a bit of restraint.
November 18, 2011 at 10:42 am
My opinion, but this is spot on.
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/rally_is_really_tantrum_by_decry_u9X4huUKTzEoVfCg81Yz9K
November 18, 2011 at 11:26 am
I would be there making $20s too. JK Is this why so many people attended?
November 18, 2011 at 1:03 pm
When the tea party started up under Ron Paul, I had some hope it was an organic movement or genuinely disgruntled citizens. Actually, I would go so far to say that I believe it was. But it did not take long for the neocons to infiltrate them. Even at the initial stages of this astroturfing, I had some hope that that the little t tea partiers would not rally behind these infiltrators. But they did. They attended rallies where these goons were the featured speakers. They donated millions of dollars to them. They even voted for their neocon candidates. It did not take me long to decide that they were full of shit.
That someone is offering money in an ad, does not mean that everyone is taking money. I do not see anything but a piece of paper. Where is the video of the line of people receiving their twenties? That’s right, there isn’t one. Where are the giant rallies where George Soros shows up to speak attended by cheering throngs? That’s right. There isn’t one. OWS at least for the moment is different than the tea party.
Yes, there are certainly people who want to use the crowds for their own agendas. When I see the former head of the Philadelphia police saying he supports them, I ask myself, is this the truth, or is he trying to run for some office? I don’t know. There have already been numerous cops unmasked as provocateurs. One of them from Oakland has actually joined the protesters. Is he for real, or is this just some publicity stunt and he thinks he’ll get a job on reality tv? Again, I have no idea. There are many groups there, not just OWS, some of whom claim to speak for it. That doesn’t mean that is the truth, however. The truth lies in their website which steadfastly says they are not making any demands, they just want to be heard. This is the official website http://www.nycga.net/, yes there are probably 10 more that claim to be: that’s Koch brothers in action. If your information does not come from the official website it isn’t OWS.
Jmo, there are no crowds anywhere ever where some sort of cross contamination and co-option are not the case. But there is no official spokesperson for the OWS, and anyone stating there is, is lying. There is no list of candidates. Anyone stating there is, is lying. and that makes it very different from the tea party, at least for now.
November 18, 2011 at 1:55 pm
I think that they need a leader then Nom. If they don’t want everything messed up, then they should have someone to answer questions. They don’t, and my guess is that no one wants to be held accountable. I believe that the people who started off the tea parties were hijacked. Their leaders would not take the responsibility. Atleast, that is what happened in my town.
November 18, 2011 at 3:23 pm
I think a leader is exactly what they don’t need. They are a huge disparate group: there is no one person who can speak for them. And if someone started to do so it would just alienate everyone who does not agree with that one. Saying that they are many acting as one is far more powerful than saying they are one, speaking for many. And it is obvious that even though they are pretty much doing nothing, the oligarchs are mighty rattled that they respond so disproportionately. That is really the only reason I don’t dismiss them entirely. Even their tiny defiance is treated as though it were threatening: it’s important that people see this.
November 18, 2011 at 10:52 am
The protests are aimed at the oligarchs that run the politicians: they are aimed exactly at the right target. As I have noted before it is just plain stupid to go for the hired help instead of the owners. I mean really, how well has that voting shit been working for ya?
Nor did you answer my question: I asked is okay to beat up seniors protesting or just young people?
Pretty pathetic to see that news of the NYPD preparing to use a sonic cannon that permanenetly injures hearing on protesters exercising their Constitutional rights of freedom of assembly and freedom of speech could only be found in fucking Russia rather than our own msm.
http://rt.com/news/lrad-acoustic-weapon-zuccotti-383/
November 18, 2011 at 11:10 am
I guess I did not make my point, I see that you have answered but it does not actually address what I meant. Firstly, many protesters have been assaulted who have done nothing but protest, as with the young ladies corralled and pepper sprayed.who were not even speaking when they were assaulted by the cops. Yet there is no serious condemnation here even for acts such as these. I am guessing this is because of the bias against these young people that they are all a bunch of dirty hippies wanting shit for free, even though the OWS has stated repeatedly that they are just protesting and not making demands.
What I want to know is, when completely ordinary seniors just standing around in their “free speech zones” are assaulted from out of the blue, will you then, upon seeing people with whom you can perhaps feel some link, finally admit that what we are seeing is a police state in action?
November 18, 2011 at 11:34 am
Nom, if the protesters are egging on the police and doing what has been requested, they are in for whatever may come. Like I said before, I have a right to free speech. If I am on someone’s property and being asked to leave, then I would. I would not be screaming about how I am entitled to be there. I don’t find anything in common with someone standing outside my window drumming at all hours of the night. I would be the person that calls the cops to shut the party down. I have to go to work everyday. I need to sleep. As for those seniors, there is money to be made.
November 18, 2011 at 11:27 am
We are’nt going to agree on this Nom. If the politicians did not line their pockets to make laws to enrich, it would not matter how much $$$ was being poured into them.
November 18, 2011 at 1:06 pm
If you don’t think they shoot people who get in their way, one suggests reading up on the present pedophilia scandal. there’s a lot of people who’ve gone missing, suffered mysterious plane crashes and committed suicide who went against them. If the entire congress turned on them, they’d gun them down. I am not saying I don’t think politicians need to be found accountable, but they are not the top of the food chain, except for a very few of them, like Herr Bloomberg.
November 18, 2011 at 1:57 pm
I know of one DA that is missing. His hard drive was also missing. I have not heard about plane crashes or suicide. Congress is a bunch of scardy cats. They hide behind closed doors. They need to be booted out the old fashioned way…vote them out. The problem lies with no one wanting to take their messes and clean the house. It is obscene what they do. They hide, and they hide.
November 18, 2011 at 10:27 pm
I’ll email you the links, I’ll have to go back and look for them: there are several other pedophile scandals that look to be related to this one (some of the same people are involved), there was one investigator or lawyer or something, a man, dead of a plane crash; and a woman investigator who “committed suicide”.
November 18, 2011 at 11:03 am
http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2011/11/18/house-of-mirrors-part-ii-living-the-fantasy/#more-8704
This is part of a great post up at Sibel Edmonds’ Boiling Frogs
“The tyranny of illogical thinking evidenced by the U.S. in its War on Terror can be traced most recently to the Cold War where it became necessary to throw out the burden of proof and invert the rules of logic in order to defeat Communism.
We were personally subjected to this illogic in 1982. In response to our PBS documentary on Afghanistan, Afghanistan Between Three Worlds we were informed by Karen McKay, a former U.S. army officer and spokesperson for the right-wing Washington-based propaganda outfit Committee for a Free Afghanistan, that the Soviet’s use of poison gas in that war didn’t require proof because “we know they’re guilty.”
Such faith-based assumptions were more the realm of medieval theologians than rational analysts and the late Senator J. William Fulbright said so in his 1972 New Yorker article titled, Reflections: In Thrall To Fear.
“The truly remarkable thing about this Cold War psychology,” he wrote, “is the totally illogical transfer of the burden of proof from those who make charges to those who question them… The Cold Warriors, instead of having to say how they knew that Vietnam was part of a plan for the Communization of the world, so manipulated the terms of public discussion as to be able to demand that the skeptics prove that it was not.”
Fulbright realized that “Rational men could not deal with each other on this basis,” and arrive at anything resembling “truth.””…
There is much more, it is a very long post upon the creeping militarization of US mainstream society; a very good read.
November 18, 2011 at 3:39 pm
http://www.prisonplanet.com/russian-warships-enter-syrian-waters-to-prevent-nato-attack.html
Holy moly looks like the cold war is on again. Looks like their oligarchs are starting to protest our oligarchs taking every slice of the pie.
Go Russia! Not that I like their oligarchs any better but we do not need another war.
November 18, 2011 at 12:15 pm
Jesus Christ……. is there any air left here?
I can understand both sides of the argument that’s going on here, but really…. let’s try a little basic, good old fashioned common sense –
OK, the OWS protesters got our attention. Now, what is it that they want our attention for? Something we already know, I’d say. And like them or not, the Tea Party had the same objections but accomplished their goal by orderly protests and finally getting people elected to go to DC and make changes.
This is not to say that I am a supporter of the (current) Tea Party, but blocking entry to workplaces, keeping people up all night, making a local park off limits (not to mention dangerous) to local residents who spend a lot of their hard earned money to live near a park, which is a rare thing in NYC is just as fucked up as stopping a bunch of noisy children having a city-wide tantrum.
If OWS really wants the support of US citizens, then they should organize and have an actual agenda. And come up with a tactic that will be effective in changing what they object to.
Making a tiny oasis of green in NYC filthy and unsafe for the local residents and making commuting to and from work a pain in the ass for the rest of us is NOT the way to win friends and influence people.
If anyone really believes that their rights are being violated, think of the rights of the rest of us who have to put up with their obstructive bullshit day in and day out. What about those violations?‘
It’s easy to defend them from afar, but for someone who actually lives here, having to put up with bullshit like theirs is only furthering the case against them.
November 18, 2011 at 1:13 pm
I’ve said from the first I think laws like littering, noise and the like need to be enforced. I don’t support OWS, I think it pointless. But I do support everyone’s Constitutional rights, becasue those are my rights. If thes people can’t assemble and say what they want, neither can I. I feel badly that your park is presently filled with people you dislike, my own parks are overrun by fucking Californians and New Yorkers who have emigrated to my state and are in the process of bulldozing it to make it a memorial of their own shithole cities, so just now I’m a little lacking in sympathy for the plight of New Yorkers other than you.
Unfortunately the only way our system will be reformed is when a shitload of people are planted 6 feet under, and NO, I am not suggesting one start this, I’m just saying that’s what it would take.